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Then try and get them active. Don't just pretend they don't exist and come up with some bullshit like "well, er, town are usually less active than scum so I'm justified by ignoring them!".

I'm going to try this one more time SK. I'm not explaining this to you again. I'll make it as simple as I can, too.

>You give list
>list contains all the people you have at null or scum
>you ask people to pick a player in that list
>you propose that we lynch them
>you call this "co-operating"
>by definition, if people are going to lynch into a list that is derived from your reads, this means that they have to trust them
>I point out that I don't like this, because it's not like we have infinite mislynches available
>I pint out that you can't just expect people to trust your reads
>You claim that you didn't care if they trusted them or not
>And now you appear to be clueless about the whole thing

That's it. If you still don't get it, then I'm out of ways to help you do so.

Also, if you find that you're repeating the same thing, that's probably because you're not reading properly.

If I made it "seem like" you didn't answer them, that's probably because you didn't answer them. I already explained to Silver what he felt was me dodging the question, and he seemed to accept that there. And before you pull the "Silver was a Cop and said you were scum!" - I was, apparently, busdriven and swapped with Ansat, which would explain a guilty investigation there (as he would have investigated Ansat, not me).

 

Because I totally did not try that for the past 2

I'm going to try this one more time SK. I'm not explaining this to you again. I'll make it as simple as I can, too.

>You give list
>list contains all the people you have at null or scum
>you ask people to pick a player in that list
>you propose that we lynch them
>you call this "co-operating"
>by definition, if people are going to lynch into a list that is derived from your reads, this means that they have to trust them
>I point out that I don't like this, because it's not like we have infinite mislynches available
>I pint out that you can't just expect people to trust your reads
>You claim that you didn't care if they trusted them or not
>And now you appear to be clueless about the whole thing

That's it. If you still don't get it, then I'm out of ways to help you do so.

Also, if you find that you're repeating the same thing, that's probably because you're not reading properly.

If I made it "seem like" you didn't answer them, that's probably because you didn't answer them. I already explained to Silver what he felt was me dodging the question, and he seemed to accept that there. And before you pull the "Silver was a Cop and said you were scum!" - I was, apparently, busdriven and swapped with Ansat, which would explain a guilty investigation there (as he would have investigated Ansat, not me).[/QUOTE]

 

RIP posted that by mistake. Was barely even 1% into the post lol.

 

Well we have such an example from this day phase, where you twist and change what is meant by "trust your reads" to the point where even you lose your way.

The Stink thing was already addressed. You voted him on reasoning that applied to others, when I asked you on this you claimed he was the only one fluffing, and then you claimed, when I showed that this wasn't true, that you operate on a different, weirder definition of fluffing. That was it.

 

You tried it at the start of Day 1. You disappeared, and then spent most of Day 2 AWOL or defending or going at it with me. It's not a standard you have upheld throughout the game. And instead of ignoring what you have, you could try to get a read on them from what they have posted. Rise, for instance.

 

Because I totally did not try to get them active in the past 2 DP's. Matter of fact I was the most person trying to get them to become more actives and force them to participate more in the game. Okay I believe I already explained this but as usual I will go at it again. You BY FAAAAAAR are the most active one from them. You have 3 DP's worth of content to work on here. Thus have most reads on you.

will do the same thing here since you seem to be way to stubborn to understand at this point.

Yes I did.

Indeed.

I did yes I asked the players to cooperate. Look into those players and pick one.WOW scummy.

Yes I posted it I believe two times in order to get people thinking and hopefully cooperate with me.

Ratchet.... There were 8 PLAYERS in that list. Most of them were inactives or scummy. The people I excluded from it were prada, globear and ansa. Yes you can argue that ansa was indie but he was a survivor closest thing to town out of the available factions.

Ratchet if you read my post. I said that I believe that the majority of the scum/indies are from the 8-7 players. Statistically speaking we have higher chance of lynching scum than townies. Worst case scenario a 50/50. I was not aiming for a mislynch I was aiming to work together and hunt down scum. Apparently you are against the idea for some reason.

I pint out that I don't expect people to trust my reads. But to take them into account and because the list I gave was a wide list consisting of 7-8 players. I am 100% sure most of us had multiple scum read in one of them.

Take them into consideration. I did not expect them to trust what I say completely because this is a mafia game. However, I do expect them to take it into consideration and because my list of people I suggested to lynch was huge.

This is the other way around dear. It's like you don't even read my posts.

Took the words right out of my mouth.

I can't express enough how much this describes you right now.

Silver had alot more points to go over but due to lack of times he were not able to.
I was never gonna pull the silver was cop card. Because Lord Maple mentioned that emily did not use any Night actions either. Nice try tho.

 

twist and change what I meant? You mean you trying to twist things and make it seem scummy. You trying to turn this situation upside down is completely hilarious.

Don't even let me start again on the stink thing. That was by far the most nonsense and stupid arguments that you used by far. Taking a simple pressure vote and making it seem like the scummiest thing in the planet. Silver got what I meant from the first time. You in the other hand took my answers and reasoning and kept going on and on and on and on again till you eventually made it out to be nonsense. Hell the entire reason why most of us view you as scummy is because this stupid stink situation to begin with.Where you took prada little question that was answered and dodged by him and you turned it into the most scummy thing in the planet and pushed soo hard into my wagon you almost got a me lynched.Don't even dare to use the stink situation as some form of defense.

I tried in DP2 as well. I told you my reads on them last DP. They all scummy in my eyes.

Rise chan? lol I already stressed out why I wanted the dude to sub out. But sure let's see what rise chan did.

>Throw a vote at me in the last second because "oh you are SK? die? lel" that broke the tie. If that was not scummy or stupid then shoot me in the head. But nope you took a blind eye on that and instead complained about Ansa for tying and completely ignored Rise chan for hammering toward the very end of the game for BS reasons.
>Posts about catching up and having a busy time

> Made a post voting rice. Wow what a wonderful post by rise chan.
> some semi paragraphs posts discussing the game little bit.
> the end.

Total posts in the game : 6-7

6-7 posts from almost a 1000 post game.

 

I'm not going to bother going point by point. If you still don't understand that using your reads and asking people to pick between them for a lynch isn't asking them to trust your reads, then there is nothing more that can be said. You claim Silver had more, but that's what he came up with and it was addressed.

Citation needed.

So, do you not have a read on Rise-Chan then? Nothing about what he has (or hasn't) done can be used by you into deciding his alignment at all?

The rest of your arguments seem to boil down to "no u".

 

Okay I went back here because this caught my attention as I was rereading it. Although I went through it when I replied but I have more comments here.

Ratchet assumed that I will pull the silver is cop card "so he checked her". Then says that she was swapped with ansa so it explains a guilty explanation there. I don't know about you guys but this seems like an attempt from our dear player to clear his name. Even tho Mod stated that Emily (the player before Silver) were inactive during the DP and NP. So I don't know why ratchet thought by pulling this move will somehow make her look townier? if anything this post makes him looks even more scummier.

 

How would "I wasn't investigated at all" clear my name? Substantiate your claims, SK. You can't just say "this is scummy" without showing why it is scummy, especially when you predicate the "scummy" on something that doesn't even make sense.

What you did pull was "Even Silver thought you were scum", which I took to mean a "subtle" hint towards him flipping Cop. So I cut that off before you pulled it out proper.

 

lol go back and read through the entire DP1. Went over it last DP. This time ratchet if you decide to bring it up again. I will not stop. Even if it comes down to me repeating myself for the 1million times I will keep going back and forth with you till one of us literally die from typing.

I just went over rise chan. After reading the points you still think rise is light town lean? rofl such nonsense. It's obvious I viewed her as scum. I don't know why you keep asking me of my reads when I already stated multiple times that rise is in my lynch list and potential scum team.

sure keep telling yourself that.

 

Ratchet look at your post. You low key tried to clear yourself with the "if you wanna pull this card BS then he investigated ansa not me."

Stop being oblivious.

I don't know why you thought I would pull that card when the mod stated that emily was inactive during the DP and NP. This makes no sense why make such statement and call it out when you know that cop was inactive during the first DP1. Why would even take it as a hint toward him flipping cop. I meant him as a player who provided reads and I was quiet pleased with his activity even tho it was short.

 

"Most of us" implies a majority. I see you, and Globear, and that's it. 2 people out of 9 does not a majority make. So citation needed, becasue you need to demonstrate that you have the majority on your side before you claim that you do.

See, this is textbook-deflecting. I haven't said anything about my read here. I haven't asked you about my read either. I've asked you for yours. Because you didn't give me a read there.

Doesn't say anything about alignment here. You say it was scummy OR stupid, which implies that you haven't decided which one you think it is.

Doesn't say anything about alignment here either.

So. I'll make it easier for you.

Do you read Rise as Town or as Scum?

 

Not an argument. You don't get to just claim something is X without demonstrating why it is X in the first place. I'll try bolding it for you again, maybe that works.

What part of "I wasn't investigated" clears me?

Well, I'd clearly forgotten that the host had confirmed it. Obviously, you couldn't have pulled it out if you knew they hadn't done anything Night 1. I only found this out after I'd made the point.

 

sure let's continue were we stopped last DP. Don't act oblivious to it now. Go back and reply to my points instead of saying "time to stop since neither of us will reach a conclusion".

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Jesus christ..... Ratchet you even paying attention to the game? I stated my reads when I voted your ass. You come and ask me about my reads on rise. Me assuming you actually looked at my reads when I voted you. Wanted a more detailed read. So I did. I had my reads stated already and you want me to state it again. SO HERE YOU GO

not good enough?

SCUM