Normal Game Thread Big Trouble in Little Salem

Yeah, and this was before we had 4 deaths in a phase. How on earth could I predict that there would be 3 NKs?

Its a dumb play for me as Scum to do that, don't you think? Like there is no incentive for me to say "yeah, just shoot shinto" if I am Scum instead of telling LM to flip a coin for it. I mean, any townie thing anyone does can be said to be doing things just for Town cred, be real now.

This is what happened earlier. Later I changed this stance to thinking that both of them were strongly Town.

How on earth do these things correlate? I said I investigated LM because he was likely to survive, which is common practice. Your reason for investigating Rot is "I have played with him before" These two things do not correlate one iota. One is based on the standard way to play as Cop and the other is based on feefees.

You are taking my words out of context. I was never either a Lynch option or NK option when I said that. When I said that it was under the assumption that the leader was SAVED because of a sacrifice. This is a completely different thing. I had no suspicion on me (or little) so I was not someone who needed to be SAVED.

Yeah, and flip flopping comes more from Town so your point is moot.

No idea what you are getting at. Where do I have complete control over the lynches?

Which is not at all the same thing as me vouching for him or not.

yeah, anything COULD happen, but what do you think is actually more likely? I mean, that is not what happened tho? Why is this hypothetical even worth mentioning?

Facts are, there was a large wagon on Nick, Nick was nowhere to be seen, what makes you think it is likely Nick gets out of that lynch?

 

How can I account for Prada being my teammate if I am Town?

yeah, but that is WIFOM, just things based on perception, there is no evidence to support it either way.

That's too bad, because I think you are Town here. I hope you don't lose us the game because I feel like you are going to be the deciding vote.

 

OK, maybe you are Town and wowie is Scum?

 

Right, but coming in to today Prada seemed to think you were confirmed Town. If others followed suit, that would take you, and Maple (a potential scum buddy) out of the lynch pool for LyLo. That's really strong. I'd go as far as to say that's a net gain. You only need one mislynch, after all.

 

How the actual **** can me and Maple both be Scum if shinto died????

 

Depends, really. If you as scum didn't expect all those kills, then if town died instead of shinto i think it works out to being 4 v 4 or 4 v 5 which doesn't result in an outright win. And if you do go for another day phase, maple, who for arguments sake lets say is scum here, would be a likely lynch, which you potentially as a kill. This way, you still only need one mislynch, and get to "confirm" yourself through doing so.

Citation needed. It happens just as often when scum lose track of their lie, or need to adjust to their gameplan to the game dynamic changing. I'd argue it's actually scummy because town tend to have reason to change their reads, not just changing them on a dime.

Maybe, but I thought you said you "knew" I was scum?

 

Hasn't this already been explained?

 

This is where we Mass Claim FTR.

Wowwee, if you have a role, you need to claim.

That goes for Ratchet and Crisp as well.

 

> lynch happened phase before
> 2 kills happened phase before
> 1 kill you ordered from Maple
Sure you couldn't expect all of them depending on role limitations and all that. But you could suspect it surely. Lynch would've been a constant, and at least 1-2 kills depending on protect/block potential and role limitations.

Dumb plays are plays that have no chance of success, bussing shinto is not a dumb play if used correctly. So no, don't particularly agree.

Well I've already mentioned how easily your stance changes, which leaves you able to clear any doubt due to not being fixated on any "one" person's scumminess.

You investigated him due to being unsure of him, whereas I was sure it'd net mafia. So questioning me in hindsight with your post sounds like Grade A BS if I'm gonna be honest. Picking Rot had a clear reasoning behind it as I've mentioned, picking random names doesn't have reasoning because nobody but mafia knows why X, Y, Z was picked. So to me, picking someone that I know fully well and would say 9/10 times was killed by mafia and not other parties is concrete and decisive action with profitable net gain to use your own words.

You didn't need to be saved but as leader you'd have no contest end game.

Anyone can flip flop, good scum bad scum, good town, bad town... so your point is moot.

Day started. Prada mentions you and Maple to form a townteam. That's 3/7 players set on one goal. You'd need to convince only one player (who would easily be your own teammate....) and you have lynch majority.
Is that not control to you?
Is that not power to you?

Which was never my point.
You've already commented on how highly you rated his town status; so that lynch grouping would be an easy majority to get.

Because we know now what happened then, then we did not know what we know. You talk as if things were set in stone, when nothing was.

> huge
> 3 votes

Literally he could've come online an hour, heck 30 mins before day end made a good case and lynch would be on shinto in a heartbeat.

 

Already claimed to Prada, One-Shot Arms Dealer. Not used.

 

Yeah, changing my mind. thought maybe you could be Town because you did question CF, but tbh, you are drilling me way ******* harder than them.

Also the ridiculous argument that I could be Scum with Maple. I was in shock that you would even suggest that.

 

I have no idea what that role does.

 

Here's the thing: why do I even bother to say I have a guilty if I am Scum here? Isn't that basically suicide for Scum? As it turns out, LM had a gun but he wasn't Scum, so my read on him changed.

@Ratchet, either you are not using your head here or you are Scum. Its ridiculous that I would say I have a guilty which turns out to be vig and then NOT push maple at all here. Its also quite unreasonable to assume that maple and I made the whole thing up because there are a million other ways to go about things that are way more plausible if maple and I are teamed.

 

Because your claim has far more holes in it? Like however you slice it you lied to the town, and I can;t just put that aside.

Appeal to Ridicule.

I basically said it earlier, it provides a gun to a player at the end of the day. It's one of the reasons I was skeptical of your role, because if you were basically a cop able to look for guns then my role would be misdirecting your role, which doesn't strike me at all consistent with the rest of the pretty straightforward and misdirection light setup. It would be like having a basic setup that includes millers to throw off the cop - it's just a weird way of doing it and given how weak town seem to be not something that makes much sense. That's another reason why I don't buy your claim, by the way. I feel like my skepticism of your role is pretty easy to reconcile as a town mindset when you factor in all the information I've given. Of course I could all have planned ahead for that, but at the very least I don't see how me drilling on your claim is inherently scummy.

Who did you target last night?

 

Like, why do I stick my neck out that far if my claim is bogus? It would make no ******* sense at all. If I was Scum I sure as hell would claim to have a guilty on someone unless it was LyLo because that only gets you dead.

I also find it highly suspect that CF doesn't even question my role the first time around about why there would be 2 very strong investigative roles in the same game.