Normal Game Thread Full Metal Panic!: Fighting Boy Meets Girl Mafia

Well i mean the reasons for targeting someone change, even in first day lynches.
But technically if they wanted ningen dead for his playstyle/the noise he makes that would be silly. It would be easy to pin something on ningen due to his playstyle (from what I've seen anyway)

Im not saying it's not something to keep in mind but it's not something to put a bit of focus on.

I agree with this post, i mean it'd work with any other people, but pointedly saying those players may have killed him because of repeated actions isn't logical so much.

 

Innocent.

Agreed with everyone about Crimson Falcon. Idk what happened in the previous games Ningen's played but to base opinions on that...seems weird to me ._. Regardless, it seems like something did happen between Ningen and Prada last game (pou confirms it too) so I won't judge on that but why Rot and daoko?

/will be back in a few hours

 

It's Viole(Ningen), you should at least know how spite leads to targeting him... even after his death... multiple times...
Last game he was lynched D1 for being a "vocal ****" and in that time he got into plenty of spats with people.

Main logic for those 3 specifically is.
- Prada direct confrontations w/ Ningen
- Rot minor conflictions w/ Ningen in general paired with the attention span and confidence to frame someone
- daoko biggest stretch of them all but could be some pent up frustration after the SYC stuff so why not kill Ningen

Prada's most direct, others more indirect.

Not really with extremely Vocal players and majority lynch it's hard to wrongfully pin things onto them as they can defend it high stakes and get away without lynch majority. It would require mafia more than likely sacrificing someone, and that someone would actually have to be good enough to get in a lengthy debate with the vocal townie and convince the majority that the vocal townie is scum.


Though I don't disagree anyways that it's pretty WIFOM territory but for a "N0" kill before there's any thread info and any interactions to base it off of, it seems a lot more than random chance, that's just how it is.

 

Well i mean in a N0 kill you'd be better off to go for a random player or someone with a very foward playstyle. Out of the player list there's only a couple that i know of that really fit the bill, Ningen being one of them.
It doesnt automatically point to people he's rawwrrr at in other games previously.

 

That makes sense for a townkill, not so much mafia. Mafia benefits by having someone likely to draw town's ire and disdain.

 

I investigate innocent.
For some reason I don't receive alerts when I'm tagged here, it's a bit annoying but now that I've watched the thread it shouldn't be a big problem.

I'm not shocked that @Crimson Falcon tries to identify Ningen's killer, looking for the author of a kill using meta arguments is common pratice, though these arguments are quite weak. I note that mafia and power roles were quick to act, the night phase lasted only 13 hours.

@Dr. White there was a self aware Miller in one Ratchet game I played. In general I expect Ratch, Rot and our 3rd Mafia Coach over at OJ to make their Millers self aware, because the "I investigate inno/guilty" is how every game begins on OJ.

 

But the way he originally worded it is like he's put a lot of early assumptions on ningens n0 death.

 

Instead of putting theories who and why spite or whatever killed Ningen why don't we go play mafia here ah.

You can say X killed Y cause of last confrontation, but then again what if Z killed Y just to frame X? This is a weird way to go for things and to see who killed who. If i were X (but that's just me) i wouldn't even touch Y for just a bit so i can look innocent or so i can frame shit on him.


We have 14 player game that starts with a night phase which immediately makes the game 13 with Town-1 so there must be somewhat balance.

How i see the game.


3 scum 1 Anti killer and 11 town.

N0 -> 3 scum 1 anti 10 town
D1 -> misslynch -> 3 scum 1 nati 9 town / lynch -> 2 scum 1 anti 10 town
n1 -> 3 scum 1 anti 7-8 town -> 2scum 1 anti 8-9 town


So imo we have 3 scum and 1 anti who has to kill a special person for his win coin or be last alive but he has some kill restriction or is evolving (I am not sure if Ratchet's game here have evolving roles).

Looking at the write up we seem to be facing Gauron as mafia and the one who did the kill. Arm Slave pillot and he has a lambda drive it can't be anyone else at least for me.

Actually now that i think about it. I can see Gauron being the anti town killer and the kill that just happened to be anti town killer one and not a mafia one.

Gauron just fits more the SK type instead of the mafia for me, since his only goal was just to kill Sousuke Sagara or to die by him so i can see a twisted role like that in some way for him instead of being mafia.

This is one of my ideas the otehr is that Gauron and the Xia Yu twins are the mafia and that's the only scum party we are dealing with.

In the end i can kinda see two possibilities:

1: Gauron and Xia Yu sisters being mafia and all other town no 3rd party
2: Gauron and Xia Yu sisters being mafia while Gates (if anime) being the 3rd party as he is quite the twisted fucker
3: Gates and the Xia Yu sisters being mafia while Gauron is the SK (Though one thing wouldn't fit and that would be Gauron being away from the Xia sisters but still very possible IMO)


In total i see it as Gauron , Xia Sisters and Gares being the baddies with Gauron being the one who just did the kill in the night phase.

 

So youre saying 3 maf with 1 killing indie/3rd party?
Not a bad setup. What's your opinion on only having two scum instead though?

 

With only one kill attempt and a shortened night phase (that I interpret as: all those who had to send actions have sent their actions), I lean more on the kill being mafia's work. I don't know the flavour though.

 

Yeah this is also why i included Gauron later on in the mafia.

2 Mafia seems bit too low for me unless the game is 10 people or less or there is a quite some 3rd parties there.

 

2 is low but it'd depend on how many other killing roles there were but it's not completely impossible right?

 

Not impossible, if they are either too strong or there is anti town to balance for the 2 mafia.

 

Musings i see.

Anyway im assuming that the night kill was a mafia move here, although it's not out of the waters that it might not have been a maf move

 

Yea that's exactly what I meant hence the "It's a WIFOM territory better stay away from it".

I agree with evilgenius that putting out theories won't lead us anyways. We basically going on circles, I myself not familiar at all with the mafia theme. Did some brief googling here and there to get an idea of this theme a little bit. As for what this setup could potentially be that is also a wifom territory. Knowing ratchet he can have any type of combinations in his game. So talking about that won't really lead us nowhere.

What concerns me tho is that out of the current 14 players alive only 8 people really posted or did any contribution out of the 14 players. More than 24 hours has passed already into this DP (correct me if I am wrong pls, tried to see if there is some countdown anywhere but did not find any). Yet about 6 players did not even post anything yet, and I know that most these players in the inactive list are usually active players so.



@Lord Maple
@Crispickle
@Prada
@Rotaretilbo
@Venomous Cobra
@daoko

How about you lovely ladies and gentlemen come out form your little bubble and grace us with your fabulous presence ^^

Here is a vote as well to motivate one of you even further to come out.

Vote : Crispickle



Also @Ratchet can you post a countdown please. Thanks ^^