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i was wondering why people were encouraging a no lynch day 1, usually day 1 gets a townie lynched and next day youll look at the wagons and see what comes from that

 

Why not just... read what I said then? I'm not going to go through it all again, but the basic idea is that Town do not, objectively, gain anything long or short term by wasting a lynch.

 

Why people always 'saw' anything I posted like its a Threat' to them? I'm merely asking him what his opinion on three of you.

 

This was my point. Without this, you can't look at anything but night kills, which amounts to a poorly-sourced theory at best. Effectively, Day 2 will end up being Day 1 Redux, which means it burns more than just one lynch.

 

I don't think it is a threat to me. I think it's a poor approach to debate, where you selectively cherrypick and deflect to someone else to try to divert attention away from you. Calling that out is a core principle to town play and scumhunting at large - I'm not defending myself from anything here (because I have nothing to actually defend against).

 

Who asking you to 'explain' it back?

I already said "I collect the 'knowledge' here"

 

Well as far as I can see you seem to be completely oblivious as to why abstaining is a bad idea, which tells me you don't remember what I wrote then, and thus you ought to re-read it.

 

And thats how I play even in the last game we play together and eveyone who think I'm a scum were proven wrong. What makes me failed to kill Lord Maple was bcus I didnt believe my intuition although I highly believe he was the serial killer in the last two Day phases plus relying heavily on the 'writeup' where SK(previous host) taught me a valuable leasson.


What I do is to 'read' people. This is not debate but searching for something. Who cares about yur debate standard.

I do my own work

 

Thats what you thinking and its not my problem. Lets move out from this trivial matters as we will not gain anything from this conversations. What I get from Prada is enough.

 

Yeah Sorry, I keep thinking this is ToS... thats why I originally wanted no lynch...

 

Because Mafia is a game based in logic and analysis, both of which lend themselves to debate. If you play like scum, you don't get to pretend that everyone was in the wrong for reading you as such. You should, instead, stop playing like scum. If you're not able to argue your points or justify why you think something, then frankly I question the worth of the read in the first place.

I think we stand to gain plenty. Maybe not for this game, itself, but for a community meta going forward which is more important to me than another win (not that the win is being wagered on this, exactly, but you see my point).

 

Thats why I dont like people who acted like they know everything they said.

I was not able to argue my point was bcus 'the writeup'. I dont blame the 'writeup'. SK also told me that, "Dont rely to much on the 'writeup'. The writeup made me very hasitated to kill Lord Maple as I think my 'power' saved her. So I never persuade Sagebee and Schpittfeure to vote for her although my feeling tells otherwise. Read back the previous game.

I dont have a problem to ask for a bandwagon.

 

Firstly with all this talk about abstaining im gonna say why i did - it's not a permanent one, since i jumped around with a few early dp i wanted to wait a bit before settling on a permanent/ more serious vote.
However i dont feel comfortable placing a majority vote on any of the players currently tied - i havent really made a decision on them yet, although im getting interested in the ans, prada interactions.

The two players I'd want to place a vote on currently arent up for the lynch and i see little point in adding more ties to this list currently.

So i guess my abstain turned into an abstain but it's more due to situational.

Kinda leaning towards placing a vote on ansa given the tied votes, that way i can ask more questions and whatever, this defensive nature is interesting to me.

Bwaaaa are you ok?

I cant understand the wording of the first part of the post can you clear it up?

I dont think we should be aiming for a lynch or no lynch - i think it's all situational.

While it's quite hard to provide a lot of evidence from it being dp 1, we can still have an idea or a feeling

How come? I disagree with this, it's like you're trying to narrow the 2 or 3 who did into a corner without little reason
We can what either place a hammer vote (a current one at least) which might not be sensible if you arent really agreeing with some of the lynch votes or dont want them lynched as they're useful players.

And is placing another vote useful now? No it just adds to the tie

Which i find funny because i encourage people to ask me questions - how else am i meant to prove my innocence?

Although i just told crispickle that focusing on the abstainers doesn't necessarily make sense i want to ask you the opposite here - why are targeting one abstainer? Is there more to it?

Not voting but can be changed at any time.

Where's the current logic in adding someone to the tie? Some people are just coming into the game and so forth. I would never call abstaining "flying" under the radar since it literally draws attention to yourself. If you stay abstaining it makes you an easy target in np. No strings attached you see.

Abstains dont even have to be permanent anyway.

So you would rather have someone place an unsure vote on a player running the risk of someone jumping onto it and not having the strength/evidence to explain it?
Seems fishy to me

I also disagree with this.

People who have a fixed idea on lynch or no lynch first dp frustate me - mafia is a situational game and using a playet no lynching or lynching to explain your supicions or to pressure someone is completely worthless, you end up achieving none of it.

You or crispickle might be my dp 1 vote, im just not willing to rush into things.

Well
1- why not vote for shock shock is a player just like all of us. Unless you have a reason why we shouldnt suspect him we should all be fine to do so, and you cant because even if you found out something there hasnt been a np anyway.
2- &.& well i mean what, this point makes no sense how would people voting make hom look less scummy?
3- I read over all the posts and i didn't get that feeling.

Technically it's virtually impossible to jave a wall of concrete evidence yet. You can have a feeling or a idea but not a lot of useable evidence

Actually

Change vote:abstain
New vote @Ansatsuken

Reason: Reasons dont make sense, sounds fishy, i want to use the tie lynch to pressure and a have a good ol chat
@Lord Maple

 

Although i find it a little funny that no one has really wanted to know what the roles in thie game are.

I always find knowing that stuff helps me later on but different players i guess

 

And clearly you never follow previous game oftenly after you die. Me and Sagebee played as town very thorougly.