DB8 Genki Vs Akame Vs Zealot

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GenKiDama

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Fiamma of the Right

Zealot

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Zealot Character

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Frau

Shirou/Akame

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30% Arcueid Brunestud

Basic Rules:
Both teams Bloodlusted
Summons allowed
Fiamma has Index's Controller
Arcueid is at 30%
Fiamma Starts aboard the Star of Bethlehem

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Characters might change, though.
EDIT: Due to Noto being Absent from doing this, it has been changed to a free for all

 

Im gonna use Zehel ( Frau )

 

Team GenKame to OP

 

My man it looks bad now but we gonna win somehow lml


Edit this whenever.

We starting Touma with no right arm or Tatsuya haven't decided

and Frau in Ghost form

 

Alright may aswell hit it off,
Ok guys, whats your counter to the "I win" Condition of Fiamma? for starters lets get that out the way

 

Post the description for that ability here please

 

How the Text describes the strike that destroys everything when swung, (often used in conjunction with the strike that reaches everything when swung) prepare for wall of text

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“I do not need destructive force.”
“If I touch my enemy, it’s over, so I don’t need to put any effort into destroying them.”
“I do not need speed.”
“If I swing, I hit my enemy, so I don’t need to put any effort into hitting them.”

Fiamma was not like a Saint that pushed through with power and speed.
Using a battle in an RPG as an example...
What if there was a ridiculous command of “defeat” among the usual commands of
“fight”, “defend”, “magic”, and “item”.

It was beyond playing rock-paper-scissors against someone who got to choose after you
had shown your hand. Simply put, Fiamma was almighty. Whether you used rock, paper,
or scissors, Fiamma would just use “win”. It did not matter what shape his fingers made.
At the point that he made the challenge, he had already won.
That was why Fiamma did not need the things that were usually necessary.
Speed.
Toughness.
Intelligence.
Physical strength.
Space between him and his opponent.
Numbers.
A weapon.
Fiamma could bring an end to the fight by merely holding out his hand, so he did not
need any of the usual cards that would lead to a tiny victory when used together. He
needed to do only one thing to win. He would swing his right hand and it was all over.
That was all there was to it. It seemed he had been limited in the number of times he
could use it before, but he had overcome that by compensating with the knowledge he
received from Index. Now, Fiamma could win as many times as he wanted.

 

Alright:
This should be interesting. Correct me if I interpret wrong.
From what I gather the the strike that destroys everything & the win technique are the same.

“If I touch my enemy, it’s over, so I don’t need to put any effort into destroying them.”
“If I swing, I hit my enemy, so I don’t need to put any effort into hitting them.”

This first line implies that his enemy needs to be in state where he can actually be touched. Being as if Fiamma couldn't interact with his opponent regularly/physically because ( ex dead, intangible, different dimmen..etc ) then this attack wouldn't be able to find a target.
The second is saying that distance isn't a factor.
Now off this basis what I would argue is Fiamma can't touch Frau in the physical word therefore his attack wouldn't be able to land.

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The shinigami (a death god), and was created by the Chief of Heaven to preside over souls.
Its purpose was to sort the souls entering Heaven; allowing the pure souls to enter Heaven, but punishing the 'bad' souls by devouring them. Devouring the soul was a process that involved either sending the soul back down to earth to be reincarnated in a different body with no memories of their previous life, or sending them to purgatory. The worst souls which are irredeemable would be destroyed or sent to hell.

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"Using a battle in an RPG as an example...
What if there was a ridiculous command of “defeat” among the usual commands of
“fight”, “defend”, “magic”, and “item”."
That was why Fiamma did not need the things that were usually necessary.
Speed.
Toughness.
Intelligence.
Physical strength.
Space between him and his opponent.
Numbers.
A weapon.

NLF?
Next thing is where does Fiamma's power come from. An angel ( archangel micheal ) I think. So I would assume this ability wouldn't work on anything considered "higher" than an angel.

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Verloren now Frau is the God of Death in the 07 series. He is hailed as the Chief of Heaven's "the supreme being/god figure of this manga's" greatest and perfect creation, and presided over all souls. Considered a God himself. He can be considered on equal footing with angel Mikhail and Rapheal as they were both unable to defeat him before he was cast down.

Fiamma could bring an end to the fight by merely holding out his hand
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This part is he just ending the fight. Or is he killing his opponents? If its the latter you can't really kill something that is ammortal ( not classified as alive or dead ) Classified as Ageless


Counter:
I assume this ability needs a his right hand gesture. And since he's on top of SOB I say
Landkarte ( teletransportation ) via soul number so he can bring Fiamma to him or teleport too him.
then...
EA ( Enmachou ) which is the shingami's personal space

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This also displays speed of teletransporation. These 2 scans are sequential

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Depends on what happens first

 

NLF would imply that Frau is above Gabriel/Michael, otherwise it's not NLF here, and I could argue the NLF point further but ill keep it simple since this wouldn't qualify as a NLF anyway. and Yes the strike the ends everything it touches and the "win" technique is the same one
and Gabriel Could wipe out stars and Michael was never seen,and would very likely be stronger. but yes he is aligned with Michael.

The strike that ends everything it touches lacks the usual things that are needed to be considered a attack. it has no speed, and it has no destructive force, it just "wins" and considering how the Holy right is no stranger to soul related shenanigans,still working after Fiamma had his soul removed and being bound by a high class spell involving the The 12 Apostles, and it comes from a different dimension/phase itself, I don't see why it wouldn't work on frau

as for needing to "touch" it would be where his body is.

This part is he just ending the fight. Or is he killing his opponents? If its the latter you can't really kill something that is ammortal ( not classified as alive or dead ) Classified as Ageless

it's described as ending the fight because he just wins regardless of the enemy, But i suppose it Means killing, although he can alter the power of the attack to Incapacitate or knock back and being unable to get up etc etc. also @Bold, THAT, is a NLF


also does frau have a range limit for teleportation? or limits at all, also teleporting fiamma would likely trigger the auto target ability of the HR and oneshot Frau

 

"NLF would imply that Frau is above Gabriel/Michael, otherwise it's not NLF here, and I could argue the NLF point further but ill keep it simple since this wouldn't qualify as a NLF anyway. and Yes the strike the ends everything it touches and the "win" technique is the same one
and Gabriel Could wipe out stars and Michael was never seen,and would very likely be stronger. but yes he is aligned with Michael."

Wouldn't that make Fiamma a Star buster if he summons something capable of star busing. Considering summons are apart of ones power. Im not well versed on base Fiamma and his other statuses and forms.

"The strike that ends everything it touches lacks the usual things that are needed to be considered a attack. it has no speed, and it has no destructive force, it just "wins" and considering how the Holy right is no stranger to soul related shenanigans,still working after Fiamma had his soul removed and being bound by a high class spell involving the The 12 Apostles, and it comes from a different dimension/phase itself, I don't see why it wouldn't work on frau"
"as for needing to "touch" it would be where his body is."

@U This would assume that it could touch Frau. This ability in conjunction uses the strike that reaches everything when swung ( which bypasses distance to deliver this attack next to its target ). If the character is intangible and the attack it derived next to the target it still would not be able to land. Since he can't be physically touched / interacted with except by another ghost
As for the soul removal bit since our universe have different rules ill just assume Fiamma survives without it.

"It's described as ending the fight because he just wins regardless of the enemy, But i suppose it Means killing, although he can alter the power of the attack to Incapacitate or knock back and being unable to get up etc etc. also @Bold, THAT, is a NLF"

Ah kk
Well it's not really a NLF if you think about. I don't consider killing/ destroying the same thing. You can't really kill a dead body. Same as you can't kill something that isn't alive or dead. But you can destroy it to say I suppose.

"also does frau have a range limit for teleportation? or limits at all, also teleporting fiamma would likely trigger the auto target ability of the HR and oneshot Frau"

As long as he has the soul number he will always be able to teleport to you. EA has every soul number catalogued.
He can also figure out if he's been locked on too.

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What you don't quite get is that It isn't really a attack, it lacks all the features of your traditional "attacks", DC/AP and Speed. It's describe as a "win" win condition. considering the strike that reaches everything when swung it has to hit. he doesn't need to know where he is, but if hes targetted he cannot avoid it, be it some soul intangibility or whatever it is.
also this intangibility, is it permanently on or does he switch forms or something

 

@Shirou lml I'll post my next post after u


"What you don't quite get is that It isn't really a attack, it lacks all the features of your traditional "attacks", DC/AP and Speed. It's describe as a "win" win condition. considering the strike that reaches everything when swung it has to hit. he doesn't need to know where he is, but if hes targetted he cannot avoid it, be it some soul intangibility or whatever it is.
also this intangibility, is it permanently on or does he switch forms or something"

Uh ya I understand its not a conventional attack due to the fact it ignores/ doesn't need these things ( Speed, Toughness, Intelligence, Physical strength, Space between him and his opponent, Numbers, Weapon ) * from your post above.

"Considering the strike that reaches everything when swung it has to hit "
Well this thing is this ability specifically only seems to ignore distance which I don't think is that big of a deal. If distance is ignored the attack will land next to him but it won't hit him due to astral form.

"he doesn't need to know where he is, but if hes targetted he cannot avoid it, be it some soul intangibility or whatever it is."
How does Fiamma target for this ability ( ex : does he need to be within eyesite...etc ). As for soul intangibility does this attack bypass that I really don't see anything that hints to that.

"also this intangibility, is it permanently on or does he switch forms or something"
Uh ghost form is intangible but human form isn't so ya its like a form switch

 

Actually this is better than I thought, I imagined this was some type of joke but I just read everything and dis is a decent deb8t.

 

faken noobz
go outside

 

Are these all VN peeps? Lol