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Tatsuya vs Gilgamesh

Discussion in 'Anime Discussion' started by Kame, Feb 22, 2015.

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Who wins?

  1. Lol i'm here for the fan service, oh wait...

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  2. Tatsuya solo's

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  3. Gilgamesh Solo's

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  4. I personally think gilgamesh takes this High difficulty.

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  5. I personally think tatsuya takes this high difficulty.

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  6. Shirou teleports into the battle and helps gilgamesh, **** logic.

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  7. Lina teleports into the battle and helps tatsuya, plot, plot and plot.

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  8. Draw

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  9. The planet is destroyed before a victor emerges.

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  10. who dafuq are these people?

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  1. Kame Heaven's Feel

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    Well as the tile states, i personally feel it's an interesting match up, it would be quite a battle.

    Click the spoiler for more details, and note this is mostly from wiki feats, and thus some things may be incorrect.
    Tatsuya Shiba:

    Gender: Male

    Age: 16-17

    Origin: Mahouka Koukou no Rettousei

    Classification: Student

    Destructive Capacity: At least continent Level+ when using decomposition magic.

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    Range: mostly melee range, can use gun for further range, in childhood, he can attack within 100 kilometres with nuclear blast.

    Speed: Combat Speed: Hypersonic+, Reaction Speed: Hypersonic+, Travel Speed: Super Human (With technomagic help.)

    Striking Power: Class PJ with Nuclear Blast, but mostly Class MJ with gun.

    Durability: Wall Level

    Stamina: High, but he get easily tired when fighting his mentor (With magic-infused.)

    Standard Equipment: Silver Horn Custom "Trident", Third Eye, Mobile Suit.

    Intelligence: Surprisingly smart, master at trolling or dominating people, expert at reading people's movement and reaction, Master Martial Artist (Can even surpass his mentor, if he didn't use magic for help.)

    Powers and Abilities: Decomposition Manipulation, Matter Transmutation, Technomagic, Apathy, Tactical Analysis, Can replicate any energy, Peak Human Condition.

    Weakness: Can't feeling nor have emotion (still have feeling for love his younger sister, though.), get enraged quickly when someone aroused his younger sister.

    Feats: Can kick or punch to KO'd strong opponent that come from Class A only one hit.

    Notable Attacks/Techniques:

    Ninjutsu

    Tatsuya is a student of Kokonoe Yakumo, a famous ninjutsu user and someone who passes on traditional shinobi magic know-how. Due to this, he can handle multiple opponents at once and emerge unscathed. Tatsuya's physical abilities surpass normal magicians, who usually just rely on magic to accelerate or fortify their bodies to prevent injuries. It is also thanks to his training that Tatsuya can sense dangerous/hidden presences without relying on his unique magic, Elemental Sight. Yakumo himself has said, "It’s possible that I’m unable to beat Tatsuya-kun in pure martial arts already..." thus proving his physical prowess. Before his present age Tatsuya had learned enough techniques to be considered a master or something close. Through his ninjutsu training, he is a master of chi utilization.

    Magical Abilities

    Tatsuya is a Born-Specialized Magician (BS Magician) and is always emphasized as someone whose capability in wielding magic doesn't classify him as any more than a Rank C Magician, by international standards. The fact that he cannot alter the Eidos is one of the main reasons why the Yotsuba family treats him as an outcast or a fake Magician. Tatsuya can only freely wield two types of magic, based on his innate ability; "direct interference into structural information" and those are Decomposition and Regrowth. One is unknown to the world while the other magic is considered difficult and high-class. Owing to this circumstance, his natural Magic Calculation Area is dominated by these two powerful magics, making him unable to wield other magics.

    The magical abilities that he has obtained at birth allows him to excel in combat and assassinations, and makes him a balanced fighter. Tatsuya's magical abilities and talents gives him the greatest advantage in long-range magic. It has been stated that Tatsuya excels in extreme long-distance precision attacks and OTH (over the horizon) sniping, and can easily snipe human targets from a range roughly distanced at 1200 meters. It is indirectly implied throughout the series, that his OTH (over the horizon) magical sniping gives him the greatest attack range in the magical community.

    Decomposition

    One of the two types of magic based on his innate magical talent- Direct Interference into Structural Information- that he can wield freely. Using Decomposition, his speed is mentioned to be 0.05 seconds for his magic to work. With no retaliation, he is capable of sniping 36 targets simultaneously, but under constant fire his upper limit for mass targeting is 24.

    Counter Magic

    Tatsuya excels in Counter Magic; some of which he has developed by himself. Some of his Counter Magics are Gram Demolition, Gram Dispersal and Pseudo Cast Jamming.

    Systematic-Type Magic

    In order to allow him to use "magic," his mother and her twin sister operated on Tatsuya when he was 6 years old, installing another Magic Calculation Area or Magic Processor (resulting in him having two by the way) into his mind allowing him to use magic. However, it was inferior to the natural processor so the only advantage the processor granted him was that it allowed him to instantly access short magics (5 steps or fewer) instantly without any buffer or calculation. Since most combat magics use 5 steps or fewer, they are available to him. Also, because the processor can show him the exact magic that needs to be used, he can only use a very long round-about method to execute complex magics (hence why he failed the speed portion of the technical exam). He is also very adept at manipulating Oscillation Magic. Other spells he often uses are: Resonance, Phantom Blow, and Compound Waves.

    Gilgamesh:

    Origin: Fate/Stay Night, Fate/Zero, Fate/Extra

    Gender: Male

    Age: Unknown

    Classification: Servant/Heroic Spirit

    Destructive Capacity: At least small city level+ with Gate of Babylon, at least small island level+' with uncharged Ea (more than a match for Saber's full powered Excalibur, also destroyed Rider‘s reality marble); fully charged Ea is hyped to be a planetary threat (though this seems to be mostly due to its ability to cut through space/time/pierce Gaia’s reality marble)

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    Range: At least several hundred meters with GoB, several to dozens of kilometers with Enuma Elish, potentially planetary level with a fully charged Ea

    Speed: Hypersonic+ | Massively FTL (Should be comparable to the rest of the playable servants with their mythic formal wear)

    Striking Power: Class TJ+ (Servants of his strength level can rend steel by just the pressure released from their strikes, higher than Archer who can deflect Caster's beams) | Class PJ+ (Should be vastly superior to Saber)

    Durability: Building level, his armor is city level (Superior to Rider's Pegasus); immune to conventional weapons (Fate/Zero version only)

    Stamina: Tireless till he has a supply of mana

    Standard Equipment: Gate of Babylon, Ea, Enkidu, Vimana

    Intelligence: Fairly knowledgeable and intelligent. Can think out smart strategies for battle to ensure his victory, has surprising understanding of magecraft and can see through every magic that Shirou was preparing against him, although he’s extremely arrogant and apparently has a short fuse. However, it should be noted that he does not know how to use every noble phantasm in his vault.

    Powers and Abilities: Super strength, speed, durability, has the prototype form of almost every Noble Phantasm with each of them being powerful or outright broken magic weapons, can spam weapons to anywhere in sight or just hurl them telekinetically; resistance to magic (rank E or C, can be increased further by his armor and artifacts in Gate of Babylon), soul manipulation, and mind manipulation, supernatural luck to get rich quickly and never lose money in gamble, can turn into spirit form (Fate/Zero version only), minor resistance to causality manipulation, his armor grants resistance to petrification. | Amped stats and much higher resistance to mindfuck and soulfuck, resistance to matter manipulation and probability manipulation, possibly resistance to time/space manipulation.

    Weakness: He makes arrogant people look modest, doesn't actually know how to use a lot of the items in Gate of Babylon | Can only exist in the Mooncell

    Notable Attacks/Techniques

    -Gate of Babylon: A small, plain sword that doubles as spatial key, allowing Gilgamesh to access his vast wealth contained within a vault in the heart of ancient Babylon. Inside this treasury are a myriad of Noble Phantasms collected during the peak of Uruk. Gilgamesh either throws these weapons or fires them out of his vault like rockets; it is this Noble Phantasm that designates Gilgamesh as an Archer-class Servant. Any weapons or artifacts discharged by Gate of Babylon return to the vault after an indeterminate amount of time. Because he lacks proficiency with any of these weapons, Gilgamesh will typically only fire the weapons as projectiles; in several instances, Gilgamesh has removed and normally wielded weapons. By word of god, all weapons that any heroic spirit has is retroactively added to his vault, even if he shouldn't have them.

    -Enuma Elish: By compressing and accelerating wind pressure, it becomes a fake space-time dislocation that pulverizes any opposition. With an output power surpassing Saber's Excalibur, it is the "sword that cut the world apart". Strictly speaking, the Noble Phantasm is Ea, and Enuma Elish is the name of the attack at its highest power. It is the only Anti-World Noble Phantasm.

    -Enkidu: Chain of Heaven: The Noble Phantasm that Gilgamesh trusted the most, even more so than Ea. One of the few anti-god weapons that has the power to "reign over the gods". The higher the divinity, the stronger it is. At a sufficient amount of divinity, it binds space itself. Against those with no divinity, it's about as much trouble as a tough chain.

    -Golden Rule: Throughout history and mythology, individuals destined to amass vast fortunes and treasure are identified as possessing Golden Rule. Among these figures, Gilgamesh stands alone at the zenith of opulence, for he has at his disposal enough riches to purchase whatever he may need in any era of summoning.



    Alright vote and discuss, thanks.
     
  2. Mahesvara Lostbelt King

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    Tatsuya is a expert at counter magic, Gilgamesh's attacks are all magic based, so Tatsuya has a huge advantage. Also he could simply decompose the spell that summoned Gilgamesh.
     
  3. Kame Heaven's Feel

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    Since we haven't seen tatsuya go all out and he's still op, i wan't to lean towards him winning, but it's a hard fight honestly. I like gilgamesh, but then i like tatsuya too, it's how i came up with this battle, lol. Welp in anycase i won't vote just yet, want to see what the fate fap fanboys say.
     
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    Also Tatsuya's destructive power is way more than city level Lol.
     
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    I got it from the wiki, bro, Lol. 

    You can edit the op if you'd like, so it can be more up to date.
     
  6. Mahesvara Lostbelt King

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    Did you read the part that said material burst has no limitations? A 10 kg flag was able to create a blast equivalent to 20,000,000 tons of TNT, if he uses it on a human, he is at least taking out a continent.
     
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    Well yeah he can theoretically take out even the planet (earth) but as i said this is from the wiki, and thus it's either biased, out of date, wrong etc.   /18/ 

    @Bold, he's taking out more than the continent, lol.
     
  8. Zexion~ Regular Member

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    lol at gilgamesh's attacks being magic based

    His Noble Phantasm's don't really have much to do with magic

    I've never seen this magical highschool show but unless it he can block something on this level



    That isn't magic based, as its a sword of the gods and a noble phantasm.

    This is a canon ability btw the video game's of this series are canon. Its also been stated to break the world

    However I doubt he'd find this mongrel worthy enough to actually go serious on from the start depending on what he can do he may use it. It also wipes out realities with ease as it did in FZ along with two other occasions of its ultimate use.

    If you've only ever watched FSN then you don't really know what this guy can do. He's a planet buster.

    Even if you did restrict him to his weakened state in all three of the FSN routes, I doubt anything can counter the miniature blast that is emitted as even that distorts time and space around its impact

    @Akame it was said in the offical VN Status book that he can take out a planet, ( I have the VN) And was reiterated when FZ came out when the creator stated he could destroy the whole war in one day.

    Serious gil is planet buster but he'd never really do that as he considers the planet his but if threatened its plausible
     
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  9. Mahesvara Lostbelt King

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    Whats this attack's speed? If it's not instantaneous , he won't have the chance to use it.
     
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    Its not instantaneous but even before it fully is triggered it distorts reality so the opponent can't do much about it. Also Gil's armor protects from most magic in his universe up to a certain clasification... So I wouldn't know how to classify this guy's magic what exactly is it that he does?
    Is it any or at all related to divine beings? lml
     
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    His innate magic, Decomposition, basically decomposes all matter, even light and energy are included.

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    [font=Helvetica, Arial, sans-serif]Decomposition[/font][font=Helvetica, Arial, sans-serif] (分解魔法) is known as Dissolution, Disintegration and "Demon Right"- is one of [/font][font=Helvetica, Arial, sans-serif]Tatsuya[/font][font=Helvetica, Arial, sans-serif]'s two innate active magic abilities along with [/font][font=Helvetica, Arial, sans-serif]Regrowth[/font][font=Helvetica, Arial, sans-serif], relying on his innate talent to directly interfere structural information. Using Decomposition, after identifying the design of any [/font][font=Helvetica, Arial, sans-serif]Eidos(Information body)[/font][font=Helvetica, Arial, sans-serif], Sequence, or object, he can decompose the design. For physical objects, he can translate the physical object into signals, and then erase the base design at his leisure. For an information body (magic spells), he can directly disassemble the design. Therefore, if used on a person, the parts that form the human body, including skin, flesh, nerves, body fluids, bones, and cellular structures would be decomposed at a molecular level.[/font]

    [font=Helvetica, Arial, sans-serif]Tatsuya is incredibly dexterous and skilled with this ability. He is able to fire his ability as a projectile, can cast it as an area of effect Decomposition magic to act as a defensive wall around him, and can focus it around portions of his body to act as a "sword," similar to the way in which Sonic Blade works. As a result, there are many "subtypes" of this spell, most notably: Mist Dispersion, Gram Dispersion, and Material Burst.[/font]

    [font=Helvetica, Arial, sans-serif]Mist Dispersion (ミスト・ディスパージョン) is an undisputed A rank destructive Decomposition spell that directly decomposes the physical structure of the information targeted. It can decompose muscles, tissue, bone, even organs into the basic molecules such as ions and the basic elements. [/font]

    [font=Helvetica, Arial, sans-serif]It is described as being considerably mundane and quiet. There is no sound or light emitted and when raised to the highest degree of Decomposition, even easily flammable materials will not ignite. The objects dissipate to dust, transform into steam and then scatter. This spell does not travel through physical space so it can be aimed through physical objects and is not limited by distance by any means. Activation of this spell is practically instantaneous and Tatsuya can simultaneously decompose 36 targets at once, 24 under fire. Mist Dispersion is also not hampered by speed. Thanks to elemental sight, Tatsuya can lock on to the information body, so no matter how fast its moving, Mist Dispersion will never miss.[/font]



    [font=Helvetica, Arial, sans-serif][size=small][font=Helvetica, Arial, sans-serif]Gram Dispersion[/font][font=Helvetica, Arial, sans-serif] (術式解散) or [/font][font=Helvetica, Arial, sans-serif]Magic Dissolution[/font][font=Helvetica, Arial, sans-serif] is one of the two strongest counter magic spells within [/font][font=Helvetica, Arial, sans-serif]Non-Systematic Magic[/font][font=Helvetica, Arial, sans-serif]. This spell interferes with the casting of other magic spells by dissolving magic sequences.[/font]
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    Material Burst (マテリアル・バースト) is the ultimate Decomposition Magic. It has been likened to a magical equivalent of a nuclear warhead, and operates much on the same principles; by converting matter into energy, only without the radioactive material fallout.
    The energy released by Material Burst can be calculated using Einstein's mass-energy equivalence equation (e=mc²), in which energy released through the decomposition of matter is the mass of the decomposed matter multiplied by the speed of light squared. This shows that when Material Burst is used upon "...a single drop of water, a paltry 50 milligrams of matter, the explosion created has the power equivalent of 1000 tons of TNT."Material Burst is incredibly powerful and has the potential to outstrip any other Strategic-Class Magic in sheer destructive ability as Material Burst is not limited to area and has no theoretical limits to its power like some of the other Strategic-Class Magic.



     
  12. Zexion~ Regular Member

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    Hmmm well that says he has to understand the material of what he is trying to decompose correct? I don't see how youd have him do that :|

    Seeing as gilgamesh mostly uses reality to bend to his needs

    I/E Using the GoB to produce any weapon he desires from his original vault.

    I think these guys are just basically from too different series to tell. That guys magic seems to be pretty op in small areas and that exploding seems ridiculous however gils ea would most likely repel it in its weakest form ( I say that relatively, its weakest form is still pretty OP and is said to cut through the earth as a whole while its strongest is said to destroy it) and is quick enough to block any incoming explosion/ magic blast this guy sends.....

    However gil would have to first deem this mongrel worthy of such fighting in which that case it may be too late if he can spam that shit however again it said something about knowing the details of what he's trying to decompose
     
  13. Mahesvara Lostbelt King

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    He understands it, because he can read the targets information using elemental sight. As long as he can see and read the information he can understand it.

    You say he can block it, however Tatsuya's magic doesn't travel in the physical realm(though he can if he chooses too) and directly affect the target. That's also part of the reason it can't be dodged.

    Oh and yes he can spam his magic. In Mahouka, a magicians main source of magical power is psions(thought particles) and Tatsuya has the largest psion count in the series so far. Even with his limiter in place he still has arguably more psions than everyone else. He faced entire armies and constantly used his magical abilities yet never shown any fatigue from using it over and over again.
     
  14. Kame Heaven's Feel

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    I like where this is going. but what if akame is kil?
     
  15. Zexion~ Regular Member

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    Eh, Gilgamesh is a planet buster and this guy seems to be quick and it seems like this guys pretty op if he can automatically use this decomposition on anything and nothing can defend against it .... lml
     
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