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The game has gone on far enough. Certain on their victory, the town lynched the person they are most confident in. @Ningen (Karis) has been lynched.

Mafia - Karis - Succubus Queen

Mafia: Take control of the lynch

Seduce x2: Target one player. The target’s action will be blocked and you find out their identity (name of character)

Heart of the Behemoth: If you are the only one alive in the mafia, you transform into True Karis and gain the abilities marked with (*)
*Death Strike x1: Choose one target. That person will receive certain death. Replaces faction kill.
*Death Chains x1: Choose one target. That person will receive certain death in the next night phase. Can be used in addition to normal factional kill.

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The Demon commander in charge of causing the civil outbreak in Sander. A former associate of Luciela she is a high ranking demon working alongside Berthe, Ran, and Scar.
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Town wins. Thank you for playing.

Game flow and full role details coming up next post.

 

I win Viole!

 

Yes, I did actually. At least Ratchet.

 

Assigned Roles (open) Assigned Roles (close)

1)Ain - Globear (ATh)
2)Rose - Ansatsuken (CR)
3)Aisha - Prada (VP)
4)Ara - Panda (AS)
5)Karis - Rice/Ningen
6)Lu/Ciel - Crispickle (CH/DL)
7)Rena - SK (WS)
8)Elsword - Nick (LK)
9)Scar - Ratchet
10)Add - Cobra/Quick (MM)
11)Raven - cinderella (BM)
12)Eve - Emily/Silver (CN)
13)Elesis - Rise/Jin Kaza (BH)
14)Chung - Shock/Dede (DC)
15)Ran - STINK

Game Flow (open) Game Flow (close)

Day 1
SK: STINK => Nick01
Rice: Prada
Globear: Crispickle => SK => Abstain => Ansatsuken => SK => Nick01
Panda: SK => Abstain
Shock: Abstain
Ansatsuken: Abstain => SK => Nick01
Prada: Shock => SK
Ratchet: SK => Abstain
cinderella: Nick01
Nick01: SK
Crispickle: Nick01
Rise-Chan: SK
STINK: SK

Results:
Nick01 (Elsword) has been lynched.

Night 1
Ansatsuken(Rose) hides behind cinderella(Raven)
Rice(Karis) seduces Prada(Aisha)
Prada(Aisha) teleports Ratchet(Scar) and Ansatsuken(Rose) => Blocked by Rice(Karis)
STINK(Ran) makes himself untrackable
Panda(Ara) gains Nick’s(Elsword) ability
Shock(Chung) watches Panda(Ara)
SK(Rena) tracks Prada(Aisha) => Prada targets Ratchet and Ansatsuken
Quick(Add) investigates SK(Rena)
Globear(Ain) protects SK(Rena)
STINK(Ran) kills Crispickle(Lu/Ciel)
Quick(Add) kills Ansatsuken(Rose) => directed to cinderella(Raven)
cinderella(Raven) kills SK(Rena) => Blocked by Ain

Results:
Quick(Add) is told SK’s(Rena) chosen ability
Rice(Karis) is told of Prada’s(Aisha) identity
SK(Rena) is told that Prada(Aisha) intended targets are Ratchet(Scar) and Ansatsuken(Rose)
Shock(Chung) is told that no one but him targeted Panda(Ara)
cinderella(Raven) dies
Crispickle(Lu/Ciel) has a 50% chance of dying => dies

Day 2
Quick: Ansatsuken => Panda
Rise-chan: Rice => Panda
Prada: Ansatsuken => Panda
SK: Shock
Globear: Ratchet
Ansatsuken: Shock
Ratchet: Ansatsuken => Panda
Panda: Ratchet
Silver: Panda

Results:
Panda (Ara) has been lynched.

Night 2
Ansatsuken(Rose) hides behind Ratchet(Scar) => dies
Prada(Aisha) roleblocks SK(Rena)
Rice(Karis) seduces Quick(Add)
STINK(Ran) makes himself untrackable.
STINK(Ran) uses Reverse Gravity on Prada(Aisha) and Shock(Chung) => success
SK(Rena) protects Globear(Ain) => blocked
SK(Rena) tracks Ratchet(Scar) => blocked
Quick(Add) investigates Ansatsuken(Rose) => blocked
Silver(Eve) investigates Ratchet(Scar) and Quick(Add)
STINK(Ran) kills Silver(Eve)

Results:
SK(Rena) receives no result
Quick(Add) receives no result
STINK’s Reverse Gravity succeeds => one shared protection carried over
Rice(Karis) is told who Quick(Add) is
Silver(Eve) is told that Ratchet(Scar) is innocent and Quick(Add) is guilty
Ansatsuken(Rose) dies
Silver(Eve) dies

Day 3
SK: Ratchet (x2 due to Jin’s ability)
Globear: Ratchet
Prada: SK => Ratchet => Abstain => STINK
Quick: Ratchet => STINK
Jin Kaza: Ratchet

Result:
Ratchet (Scar) has been lynched.

Night 3
Prada(Aisha) roleblocks Jin Kaza(Elesis)
SK(Rena) tracks Quick(Add)
Quick(Add) investigates Rice(Karis)
Globear(Ain) protects herself.
SK(Rena) protects Globear(Ain)
Quick(Add) kills STINK(Ran)
Rice(Karis) kills Quick(Add)

Results:
SK(Rena) is told that Quick(Add) targeted STINK(Ran) and Rice(Karis)
Quick(Add) is told of Rice(Karis)’s Heart of the Behemoth ability
Quick(Add) dies
STINK(Ran) dies

Day 4
Prada: Ningen => Abstain => Ningen
Jin Kaza: Ningen
Globear: Ningen
SK: Ningen

Result:
Ningen(Karis) has been lynched.

Full Role Details (open) Full Role Details (close)

Town (open) Town (close)

MC powa (open) MC powa (close)

You are Elsword.


Town: You win when all anti-town factions have been eliminated
Knight of Destruction x1: If you are attacked, you will not die. This is a reactive skill, so you don’t have to activate it. You will be notified if this skill was used.

You have a choice for which additional abilities you wish to have:
Lord Knight
Counter Attack x1: If you are attacked, you kill the attacker. The kill against you will still go through. (Separate from Knight of Destruction, Counter Attack will only happen after Knight of Destruction is used)

Rune Slayer
Fire Rune x1: Target one player. Leave a stationary rune that will kill the person the next night phase after you set it, even if you were to die before then.

Infinity Sword
Compact Counter x2: Target one player to protect. If the target is attacked the same night you protected them, the attacker and you will die. (Knight of Destruction still applies, so if you succeed the first time and Knight of Destruction hasn’t worn off, you will remain alive.)

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Elsword is the younger brother of Elesis, the inaugural captain of Velder's Red Knights. He has always admired his sister's strength and trained hard since a young age. He learned the fundamentals of fighting from a Velder Kingdom royal. As a member of the El Search Party, he set out to restore the El and begin his adventure.

obligatory tsun tsun (open) obligatory tsun tsun (close)

You are Aisha.

Town: You win when all anti-town factions have been eliminated

Teleport x1: Target two players. Any action targeted to them will switch with the other player.

You have a choice for which additional abilities you wish to have:

Elemental Master
Lightning Storm x1: Target 3 players. Those three will be stunned and will not be able to do any night actions that night.

Void Princess
Petit Angkor x3: Summon Angkor to roleblock one target.

Dimension Witch
Space Leap: Increased proficiency in teleporting allows you to use the ability Teleport thrice. (Teleport x3)

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Aisha was once known as a Great Magician at a young age. While traveling with her wise Grandfather, she discovered a ring at an ancient excavation site which caused her to lose her magical powers.
Aisha sets off on a journey to find her lost magical powers absorbed by the ring and relearn all that she has lost.

plot (open) plot (close)

You are Rena.

Town: You win when all anti-town factions have been eliminated

Nature Force: Your affinity with nature allows you to strengthen yourself and connect the voices of nature spirits. Target one person. Each night, you can investigate who they targeted that night.

You have a choice for which additional abilities you wish to have:

Grand Archer
Stigma Shot x1: Target one person. You will receive information on their movements every night until they die. (In other words, a permanent Nature Force on one person) NOTE: You cannot use Nature Force the same night as Stigma Shot

Wind Sneaker
Airelenna x2: Target one person. If that person is attacked, you will come by and prevent their death

Night Watcher
Delayed Fire x1: Target one person. If the target performs a night action that targets another person, they will die the following night.

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The most mature and beautiful female among the El Search Party. Rena is determined to restore the power of El to strengthen the nature spirit world.
She feels the resonance of the El and is drawn to the El Tree in Ruben Village.

the original elsword edge boi (open) the original elsword edge boi (close)

You are Raven.

Town: You win when all anti-town factions have been eliminated
Power Assault x2: Choose one target to kill during the night.

You have a choice for which additional abilities you wish to have:
Blade Master
Blade Mastery: Increase Power Assault to 4

Reckless Fist
Subliminal Rage: Your kills cannot be blocked by any kind of protection. You may, however, be roleblocked.

Veteran Commander
Ignition Crow - Napalm x1: Choose two targets to kill that night. (Costs IC-N x1 and Power Assault x1) You cannot use this skill on the first 2 nights.

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Raven, a commoner that worked his way to become the Captain of the Mercenary Knights, was framed by jealous aristocrats and lost everything he cared for. He vowed to seek revenge against the Kingdom of Velder and the ones who caused his suffering.
He later joins the El Search Party to atone for his past sins and assist Elsword.

aigis (open) aigis (close)

You are Eve.

Town: You win when all anti-town factions have been eliminated
Dimension Link - Century x2: Summon a Nasod scout to investigate a person’s innocence or guilt

You have a choice for which additional abilities you wish to have:
Code Empress
Queen’s Authority x2: Choose one target to target another person under your instruction

Code Nemesis
Queen’s Throne x1: Empower yourself with mobility, which allows you to investigate another through your own power for one night phase. Must be used along with Dimension Link - Century. (in other words, investigate 2 people during night phase at once at the cost of Queen’s Throne x1 and Dimension Link - Century x1)

Code Battle Seraph
El Energy Reactor: Increase Dimension Link - Century to 4

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A Nasod Queen with high intelligence and ego.
When the El's power suddenly disappeared, Eve went into hibernation. She is accidentally awakened by the power of El energy and realizes her energy core is destroyed. She joins Elsword and his friends in a party to find the El.

smol trap (open) smol trap (close)

You are Chung.

Town: You win when all anti-town factions have been eliminated
Freiturnier: Be night immune for the first two nights.

You have a choice for which additional abilities you wish to have:

Iron Paladin
Wonder Wall: Become immune to all night kills permanently

Deadly Chaser
Endless Chase x2: Choose one person per night. You will receive the names of the people who targeted your target other than yourself. (Ex. If you target someone who was also targeted by two other people, you will be told the names of those two other people)

Tactical Trooper
Tactical Field x2: Choose one person per night and boost their priority during night time. (Ex. If the person you chose happens to be vigilante, that person’s kill cannot be manipulated by any other skill, if they chose to kill that night)

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The offspring of the Seiker family who are known protectors of the city of Hamel.
Chung's father Helputt, was possessed by demonic magic. Chung joins the El Search Party to stop the invasion lead by his father and become even stronger. He leaved his name behind and calls himself Chung.

brother complex (open) brother complex (close)

You are Ara.


Town: You win when all anti-town factions have been eliminated
Power of Eun: Pick one dead person per night and receive a one-shot version of their base ability (not an ability that was chosen). You will not be able to store this ability for the next night phase.

You have a choice for which additional abilities you wish to have:
Sakra Devanam
Valor and Devotion x1: Intense training allows Ara to target one live person and gain a one shot version of their ability. This ability can be saved for later use.

Yama Raja
Howling Wolf x2: Target one person and summon a wolf spirit to render all roleblocking on this target null for this night phase and the next.

Asura
Assimilation x1: Ara may allow Eun to possess her body, giving her great powers of clairvoyance. You will tell one random person who is alive (randomized) who you are

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Ara Hann was born in the Northern Empire of the Fluone Continent.
Ara's brother Aren became corrupted by the Dark El and destroyed his own village and people as well as his family. With the help of Eun, Ara embarked on a journey to find her brother and bring him back. However, Eun also has an ulterior motive to undo the seal in which she has been captive.

more MC-ish than the actual MC (open) more MC-ish than the actual MC (close)

You are Elesis.

Town: You win when all anti-town factions have been eliminated
Red Haired Knight x1: During night phase, choose one person to vote on before the next day phase starts. This vote will not go through if you die. You cannot change this vote during the day phase.

You have a choice for which additional abilities you wish to have:
Grand Master
War Prelude x1: During the day phase, place one additional vote (hidden vote) on a player and decrease one vote on another.

Blazing Heart
Fire Stigma x2: During the day phase, target one person and their vote count will increase by one

Crimson Avenger
Judgement x1: During the day phase, choose one person to place 2 more (hidden) votes.

NOTE: All hidden votes will be revealed at the end of the day phase regardless of the abilities you choose

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Possessing excellent skills thanks to being influenced by her father who was a Velder Kingdom free knight, she joins the Velder Knight's to stop the demons after sensing the dangers to Elsword and herself. Then one day, she meets the demon again who attacked Feita and Velder.....

the loli and what's hopefully not a lolicon (open) the loli and what's hopefully not a lolicon (close)

You are Lu and Ciel.

Town: You win when all anti-town factions have been eliminated
Combination: In odd nights, you have Lu’s abilities. On even nights, you have Ciel’s abilities.

You have a choice for which additional abilities you wish to have:
Chillarch/Dreadlord
As Lu:
Creeping Terror: When Lu is active, if you are attacked, there is a 50% chance that the attack won’t go through

As Ciel:
Shackling Chain x2: Bind one person of your choosing. That person will not be affected by anything (killing, being investigated, etc.), but they will not be able to perform their night ability if they have one that night.

Noblesse/Royal Guard
As Lu:
Tribute: You may spend one soul to have a shield that night with a 50% chance of succeeding or two souls that would give a shield that will certainly protect you and has a 50% chance of restricting the attacker to be unable to kill next night phase

As Ciel:
Soul Collector: Every night as Ciel, you will gain one soul.

NOTE: You will start off with two souls.

Diabla/Demonio
As Lu:
Altar of Evil x1: For two consecutive night phases as Lu, temporarily gain your former adult form and choose one target to render vulnerable by nullifying 1 layer of protection placed on them. This ability will not be in effect when you are Ciel, so you may not nullify a layer of protection on even nights.

As Ciel:
Transcendence x1: For two consecutive night phases as Ciel, you will be unaffected by any action from a target of your choosing. This ability will not be in effect when you are Lu.

NOTE: If your target dies before your second night (regardless of which ability as Lu or Ciel), you may change your target. This is so that your ability is in effect for both nights.

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A princess of the demon world and an underworld hitman who escaped to Elrios.
After being chased by demon assassins and nearing death, through a spirit contract they were to narrowly escape death. To regain her lost power and authority, they set out on a journey to follow the demon's tracks....

plot hole eraser (open) plot hole eraser (close)

You are Ain.





Town: You win when all anti-town factions have been eliminated
Abschluss x1: Protect yourself from all kills that night phase if you are attacked. This is not a reactive skill, you must activate it. You may not use this skill with any other skill at the same time.

Choose one of the following additional abilities:
Arme Thaumaturgy
Autosuggestion x3: Target one person and they will be immune to one night kill. If the target is Elsword, you will be protected as well, but you will not be told if this is the case. Action will fail if you die that night. You may not target yourself.

Erbluhen Emotion
Blatt Blume x3: Depending on the night phase you use it, this ability changes. You may not target yourself.
NP1, NP4, NP7, etc. - Blume Mut*: Choose one person to boost their priority
NP2, NP5, NP8, etc. - Blume Rein: Choose one person to protect from one night kill
NP3, NP6. NP9, etc. - Blume Wille: Choose one person nullify all protection and roleblock

*Ex. If the person you chose happens to be vigilante, that person’s kill cannot be manipulated by any other skill, if they chose to kill that night

Apostasia
Recreation x2: When you use this ability, you will receive one shot of a protection ability for every single action that affects you. (Ex. A cop, a roleblocker, and a watcher targets you when you activate this ability. You would then receive Protection x3: Choose one person to protect from kills that night)

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A mysterious man who appeared before the El Search Party while looking for the El Shard.

Ain introduced himself as a priest serving the Goddess and offered to help them find the stolen Ruben El Shard but many things about him still remain under a veil of mystery.

He practices magic at a higher level than that in Elrios, using a pendulum as a medium, and plays entirely different battles by summoning and projecting weapons from the God's Realm.

Mafia (open) Mafia (close)

victim of brother complex (open) victim of brother complex (close)

You are Ran.


Mafia: Take control of the lynch
Reverse Gravity x2: Target two people. If neither of those two do not target you nor your allies this night phase, the mafia will gain one layer of shared protection (Ex. One person targets Karis = kill nullified, one person targets Karis and another person targets Ran = Karis or Ran dies)
NOTE: You cannot target your fellow mafia

Shadow Clone x2: If you are doing the factional kill this night, you can make yourself untrackable.

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Ara's brother and the leader of the demons invading Hamel. He has captured the Water Priestess and has obtained the Water Seal from Avalanche.

obligatory sultry villainess (open) obligatory sultry villainess (close)

You are Karis.


Mafia: Take control of the lynch
Seduce x2: Target one player. The target’s action will be blocked and you find out their identity (name of character)

Heart of the Behemoth: If you are the only one alive in the mafia, you transform into True Karis and gain the abilities marked with (*)
*Death Strike x1: Choose one target. That person will receive certain death. Replaces faction kill.
*Death Chains x1: Choose one target. That person will receive certain death in the next night phase. Can be used in addition to normal factional kill.

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The Demon commander in charge of causing the civil outbreak in Sander. A former associate of Luciela she is a high ranking demon working alongside Berthe, Ran, and Scar.

i don't want to kill this guy 1000 times for OoR (open) i don't want to kill this guy 1000 times for OoR (close)

You are Scar.

Mafia: Take control of the lynch
Demon General: Show up as innocent from investigation
Howl x1: Block all actions except killing that night phase

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The Demon General spearheading the entire demon invasion.

Independents (open) Independents (close)

salty edge killjoy (open) salty edge killjoy (close)

You are Add.

Indie: Obtain Eve’s core before she is killed by anyone else. (In other words, kill Eve yourself or have her lynched). If Eve dies before you could do this, you become a survivor.

Particle Accelerator x2: Target one player to kill that night phase.

You have a choice for which additional abilities you wish to have:
Lunatic Psyker
Quicksilver Accel x1: Target one player to kill with higher priority (Note: not equivalent to 100% success rate) that night phase

Mastermind
Enhanced Artificial Intelligence: Each night phase you can choose one person to investigate for their chosen ability details (nothing else, including the name of the ability).

Diabolic Esper
Seal of Time x2: If you use this skill, you will not die that night phase

Moonlight Rhaspody x1: Target one player. Use this skill to take away one skill from the target (of your choosing if there is more than one). You will be told the title of said skill(s), but not what it does.

Time Trouble: You can kill a person every even night. You can kill every night if all of mafia are dead, which you would be notified if it happens. Note: You will lose Particle Accelerator.

NOTE: If you choose the Diabolic Esper skill set, your win con will change to the following:

Indie (Serial Killer): Kill everyone and survive at the end

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Add is a descendant of a prominent family of Nasod researchers. One day, he was unfortunately caught researching the forbidden secrets of Nasods. He has attempted to create a Human-like Nasods. Due to his actions, he was imprisoned and tortured.
He managed to escape, but while being chased, he fell and became trapped in a crack of time and space.
Blinded by revenge and hungry for power her tries to find a way back into time and during the course, he discovers a specimen named Eve, who encompasses immense knowledge of Nasod codes.

grill from dfo (open) grill from dfo (close)

You are Rose.



Indie (Survivor): Live until the end of the game

You have a choice for which abilities you wish to have:

Storm Trooper
Ancient Trigger x1: When about to be lynched, you go complete bananas and blow up the execution site, leaving you to survive the lynch

Crimson Rose
Bloody Chains: Target one person to hide behind, using your chains and mobility to secure a hiding spot. Actions targeted at you will transfer to the person you hid behind. If you hide behind a mafia member, you will die.

Freyja
Einherjar x2: Leave the area through the skies and become immune to all actions

Optimus
Mecha Generator x2: Send a message to another player. The message will be reviewed by the host/co-host to ensure fairness

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A member of Majestic Garden that protects the Royal City in Heaven. She was given the codename Rose, which is only bestowed to those who are the most powerful of the Majestic Garden.
In order the enemies who threaten Heaven, Rose was given the task to investigate another dimension, Elrios.

Mafia QT:
https://www.quicktopic.com/52/H/kgdJ6tNZRGP

Kinda sad that Ratchet literally had to carry the entire mafia. Ningen did well with what he had, kind of wished I subbed him in sooner.

Regarding to MVP, currently leaning on SK since he was on the ball for most of the game while being active. Compared to the rest of town, he stood out.

1) @Globear
2) @Ansatsuken
3) @Prada
4) @Panda 1 Konobi
5) @Rice - Replaced by @Ningen
6) @Crispickle
7) @SK
8) @Nick01
9) @Ratchet
10) @Venomous Cobra - Replaced by @Quick
11) @cinderella
12) @Emily - Replaced by @Silver
13) @Rise-Chan - Replaced by @Jin Kaza
14) @Shōck - Replaced by @DédéGD
15) @STINK

Aside from the whole hinting thing, let me know of any mistakes and/or suggestions in the future. This is only my second time hosting a game, so there's bound to be plenty. o/

 

Mvp Is quick here imo

 

SK is da MVP. Townie need to thanks Ansa for saving him.

 

Righto.

So, I think there were a few problems with the setup. Fundamentally, 3 of them. Now, I'm not about to go telling hosts what they should be doing, as there is nothing inherently wrong with two of them. Having a semi-open setup is fine, if you balance for it. Having your writeups effectively list all the actions taken at night is fine, if you balance for it. The problem is when you use a combination of the above, we end up with a broken game like this was. You could have included roles not used in the game to address the open setup bit, for instance. The writeup is a bit of a tougher fix, but not having the open setup or including false actions to allow for fake claiming would have worked there.

The only thing that I feel was a really poor idea was hinting. Hinting doesn't really do anything. I said this in the game at the time, but hinting either makes it so obvious it might as well be claiming, or it is so obscure and niche it might as well not even allow for it at all. As a Host, if your game can be broken by claiming, then you're better off either addressing that so it doesn't (fake flavour claims, for instance, with a mix of major and minor characters for scum), or just not allowing for any kind of role sharing at all. In this case, the hinting restriction did absolutely nothing to prevent the game from being broken, and all it resulted in was hoops for players to jump through so they wasn't actually claiming. I can't fault players for taking advantage of this.

As for the writeup, using the writeup to give hints has been a thing for quite some time, so that's not the issue, but I would be careful in future about being too explicit on it. While flavour can be (rightly) used to solve the game, it shouldn't be broken through that alone. In future, I'd recommend describing only the mechanically important bits (like known kills) or being a bit inventive regarding how it is done, as opposed to literally just "x did this and this and this to y". If you do go that route, then as mentioned above either actions representing the safe claims provided to scum could be represented, or flavour claiming banned outright (including hinting, of course).

It also felt a bit unnecessary to include the roles in the OP. I know it wasn't the total setup, hence why I referred to it as "semi-open", but the game felt more like a closed setup with that tacked onto it. The idea of choosing roles is pretty creative, though hard to balance for, but I feel like it could have been done in a different way. Maybe have a set of roles for each character that players pick out of, for example, and kept private.

Overall, I feel like the fundamental problem was that all of the pieces just hadn't been fully mapped and thought out beforehand. As I say, either one of the above probably would have been fine as is, but the combination was the issue. And by the time you realised the loophole it had already been exposed and thus was too late.

Play wise I'm not too bothered about losing, because I feel like it was underwhelming to poor for both sides. Two thirds of the Mafia were hard inactives, missing entire night phases occasionally, and a number of the town just didn't post either. That, and the likes of Panda who frankly if I were a Host I would be seeking to award a point against for his behaviour. Amongst the actives, I felt Quick and Prada played fairly well, Quick was perhaps unlucky to not get his win con (objectively, I should have seen that he would have flipped to a Survivor rather than Serial after losing the initial win con), and Prada made use of what was available. SoulKiller's arguments were mostly nonsense - I don't know if it was simply a matter of not conveying yourself well but I feel like you really need to address why multiple people, not all scum, felt like your arguments were not well made. At one instance, when I'd compiled a list from the flavour, you argued that my list was exactly the same as your list from the previous day, which I'd argued against. Not only was this utterly false - there is a difference between compiling a list based on one player's reads and compiling a list based on who is and isn't confirmed, it was a really poor way to work your point there. It doesn't really matter whether you were doing it because you were "certain" of my alignment or not - the play was fundamentally poor from a town point of view. I also feel like you need to avoid viewing everything someone does as scummy based on your own read when the play makes just as much sense from Town. There were reasons to suspect me as scum, particularly later on in the game when the confirming began, but you didn't really get to any of them.

Globear, also, is guilty of the latter few points. It's all well and good being sure of someone's alignment - you have to question whether your reasoning actually makes much sense if you aren't able to convey why you are sure. It's all well and good being confident in your reads, but ultimately meaningless if you can't persuade or explain the why. The argument regarding the lynch on Day 1 was particularly poor, as I'd already demonstrated in the previous game (where I was Town) why I thought Day 1 lynching was worthwhile, so it's hardly a stretch to assume I would forgo my favoured lynch for the sake of actually getting a Day 1 lynch. In fact - it isn't a stretch at all, because it's absolutely something I would do as Town or as Scum. Again, I don't know if this was a case of finding anything to try and push through something you strongly believed in, but it isn't exactly the kind of argument you would expect from Town.

One thing I will say is I don't want the above to be taken as sour grapes. As I said earlier, Mafia were gifted at least one lynch and multiple inactives, and after the Panda debacle I honestly felt like any Mafia win would have been rather cheap and somewhat undeserved seeing as I was the only one actually playing. I'm not fussed on wins or losses, but I hope you take the critiques on their own merit rather than assuming it comes from my alignment in this game.

I think that covers it all. I hope the inactives do boost their play up next time, as it's really detrimental to the game and not much fun to go through.

Thank you for the game Maple, and hope to see you host again. I don't want you to take the criticisms personally either - there were good ideas here, and no game can be perfect, just some things that could be improved on for next time.

 

LMAO. First time I get MVP without achieving a win con. On top of this I was 3p so the fact you are giving me MVP for not achieving my individual win con is LOL.

All I had to do was survive. It sucks because there were 2 other confirmed Townies and I get NKed over both of them. Funny shit. Also, I would have solved this game if I was alive because I investigated Rice. I just wanted Town to win because it was the easiest way for me to achieve my win con after Ratchet filips. Like I said I had a plan depending on how Ratchet flips. If Ratchet was Town, then I NK Town for the win.

*sigh* I still have a winning record as 3p tho with a record of 3/5. Was hoping I could boost it even further with this game. Oh well.

 

Oh, and I never investigated STINK, I just read him as Scum.

N1 I tried to kill Ans and investigated SK as Lock Town.

N2 I investigated Ans and I got blocked.

N3 I Investigated Rice and NKed STINK.

 

I'm just like you, an indie but I wanted town to win this game. I dont know why when I can just play safe.

 

Overall I enjoy this game.

 

It was not as difficult as I thought it would be trying to walk the line between being Townie enough not to get lynched and Scummy enough to not get NKed. That said, no idea why Prada wasn't NKed over me.

 

First of all, thanks for the criticism ^^. I def was not perfect by any means (nobody is). I agree that the argument you mentioned about comparing my list with yours was weak in my part. I just found it isketchy how your list after removing confirmed townies was exactly as mine that was based on pure reads alone.However that was not the reason at all why I wanted to lynch you. My main problem that I had with you is your play in DP1. I don't know what you were thinking when you blow things out of proportions with an already weak argument/reasoning that was answered and dodged by prada. It was an obvious attempt at least in my eyes that you tried to force a lynch and make it as compelling as possible and you were damn close into achieving it. Because if you did manage to pull that play you did DP1 and get me lynched then mafia win would of been guaranteed. However, thankfully by the teeth of it I managed to save myself from Death jaws in DP1. You're arguments and reasoning were by no means good either. It was mostly you dodging the points and making up some nonsense stuff with your loops etc. Nothing in your defense made you change my mind in the slightest. You claim that it might of been obvious that you are scum when the claiming and shit was provided. But the wagon that was on you had nothing to do with the hinting. Me, Globear, and Jin Kaza voted you for your scummy plays out of the bunch. I am glad they supported my wagon against you and managed to lynch you. Because if you managed to survive that DP as well then things would of been drastically different. Especially with prada and quick town reading you and could of possibly won the game. Overall, your playstyle was just different and off from the townie ratchet I know. For future reference you need to address the points I mention and stop dodging questions that are targeted against you. Also, you trying to stay under prada good side was very unusual. Although it is understandable from scum point of view since you obviously have some influence over him.

Anyways with all that being what comes down to it that we had fun. Good game ratchet ^^

 

After that attempt in the end of DP3 to try and switch votes to STINK you basically sealed your death

 

Also thanks @Lord Maple for hosting the game ^^