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Relationship Kickstarts in Anime

Discussion in 'General Industry Discussion' started by Marin, Feb 5, 2018.

  1. Marin Legendary Member

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    Has anyone else noticed a common thing in a lot of anime that feature romance. I'm talking about the mc being a low-class shut-in who has no particular skills (except for the plot-bestowed hidden power that comes to play later but I'm not talking about that, I'm talking about him as a human being). Usually, depressed, physically weak, unpopular, average intelligence - over all nothing special. Ofcourse, he's also dense and no relationships before what-so-ever. A forever alone you might say. UNTIL, ofcourse, a perfect girl appears out of nowhere, is crazy about him for some plot-given reason and he doesn't have to do anything at all to get her. All he has to do is roll with the situation and accept what life served him and happy romance every after!

    A couple of examples. I noticed this way back when watching Guilty Crown in highschool when the depressed, passive, outcast Ouma Shou meets a literal idol Inori who's all over him. Then you have Monogatari where the main girl Senjougahara literally falls out of the sky and Araragi just has to catch the love of his life and the plot serves everything else. (Here it is literally Oshino who does all the work for him and then she falls in love because Araragi solved her problem.) Recently we had Darling in the Franxx where the main ship happens with the usual shut-in depressed good for nothing mc bumping into a perfect girl who just falls for him for a plot-given reason and all he has to do is just roll with it. Not to mention shows like To Love-ru where girls literally fall from the sky in groups just for the dull and good for nothing mc to get his harem.

    Don't get me wrong, I love all these shows and I'm not necessarily criticizing them for using this trope as some of the mentioned here put nice spins on the concept (for example Guilty Crown had Inori just use Sho to get what she wanted afterwards tossing him aside with them bonding only later on) but it does get cliche and very (dare I say) unrealistic. Ofcourse it's all fiction but in Japan this kind of pandering can be a real problem since the otaku depressed, good for nothing, shut-ins (the exact same people who the mcs are maid to appeal to) get this distorted vision of life where they don't have to work to get a relationship, they don't have to improve themselves, they don't have to do anything else than wait for the girl to appear out of nowhere and embrace the happy life that comes after. This may seem like I'm taking this fiction stuff all too seriously and am expecting a realistic portrayal of life struggles in teen shows, but that's not really it. I'm just of the opinion that this trend is lazy and repetitive while also harmful for those who take these things too seriously ( we all know how easy it is to attach ourselves to a fictional story ). At the very least, I would like more shows to try and give a more interesting and believable portrayal of a couple getting together which shows actual character growth and effort put into the whole thing.

    This was just something that occured to me and I felt like talking about it so tell me if I'm just crazy and have unrealistic expectations for romance portrayal or do I have a point?
     
  2. Tsunbear

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    Depending on the anime dat unrealistic thing can be good and work well you know if the character is delusional, or it's a stereotypical first love kinda thing
    But it's pretty repetitive
     
  3. iNoto さびし おかみ

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    You're overthinking this. Some people may self-insert to escape the real world but is that a problem? No.

    What isn't repetitive?

    Goes for everything in life.
     
  4. Mahesvara

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    Anime is a form of escapism and wish-fulfillment, so its gonna happen. Plus if people can't separate fiction and reality, that's their problem.
     
  5. Marin Legendary Member

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    Turning your back to reality and locking yourself up in a fantasy is a pretty big problem.

    You're seriously saying there is nothing fresh to be found in anime?

    Goes for some things more than for the others.

    I don't think anime in general is wish-fulfillment and escapism has more to do with what you use something for than with that thing in and of itself. Some people watch it for fun and to relax a bit not necessarily to forget about the real life problems. (That's gonna come in the package too but my point is that's not the main reason for watching a show.

    I agree with differentiating fiction from reality but still how reality is presented in fiction can have a huge impact on how people who haven't experienced that aspect of reality percieve it. This goes not just for anime but entertainment in general as there have been quite a few articles on unrealistic expectations for life that are developed through the media which has negative effect on people gaining those expectations. (For example unrealistic portrayal of romance in teen shows, unrealistic portrayal of war in games, unrealistic portrayal of sex in porn etc.)

    It's easy to say that you should jist differentiate but it's kinda difficult to do when you've been served only the false vision of things. I know people who have these problems even if it may seem hard to believe. It's not just delusion itself though, media shapes the culture and people's mindsets with it and this is especially evident in Japan where the birthrate is low and anime is used to pander to otakus (in positive and negative ways) be it by making marriage seem attractive or by doing what I described in the OP which is saying "nah you're fine the way you are, life will take care of itself". You even had Miyazaki say something like animation has to portray characters faithful to human interactions and then went on to complain about how that human face is replaced with a fantasy because modern anime is made by people who don't understand humans and as such the product seems distant from reality.
     
  6. Faint

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    Yes, it seems to be a very common trope, much like a similar MC used for the whole Isekai reborn into another world meme.
     
  7. Marin Legendary Member

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    Yea, Isekai definitely has that trope of "shut-in, good for nothing, lame guy becomes an overpowered badass over night for some unexplicable reason". I liked how Konosuba played with this by making the lame mc stay lame and even emphasized his lameness throughout the show. lol
     
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  8. Faint

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    Yeah, it's always nice when things are mixed up a bit in a common formula.
     
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  9. Marin Legendary Member

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    Here's a fun thought though. Do you think the otakus who were spitten image of Kazuma found the show funny or did they feel uncomfortable? lol
     
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  10. Faint

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    Depends on the person, but probably more of the latter.
     
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  11. loj

    loj from the east blue

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    I like Kou x Futaba
     

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