Accelerator vs Saitama

^Actually Accelerator controls scalar quantities aswell.

and i don't want to go into extensive detail. but saitama just loses. he can't win. the second he touches accelerator his bloodflow will get reversed and internal organs blown up.

 

Proof or elaboration please ?

 

talking on the phone while walking in lava and standing in fire.

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The density of earth is 5.51 g/cm³, Accelerator " just needs to calculate the minimum required forces like gravity, air pressure, light, oxygen, heat, sound wavelength " to redirect, that leads me to believe he has a limit, the energy he uses to do all this isn't just endless. I don't see him " redirecting" any attack that can destroy an Entire Planet.

so i can see you don't follow the series, his barrier has no real limit on what he can understand and reflect. the only way you can get past it is if you take advantage of how it functions, like kakines ability that didn't exist in the universe before he used it, or the technique kihara did.

espers in To Aru are all essentially reality warpers, although it doesn't look as strong as it sounds,he is not using "energy" he is just using his calculation ability to send it in the other direction. hell he does it during his sleep unconciously. Accelerator just applies a negative value to any attack coming towards him, and he turns it the other way. as long as it isn't some godly magic reality warping that can bypass it.
Applying more force to overcome Accelerators abillity means you do not understand the nature of his ability at all

 

Sitting on the moon, then bouncing off it onto earth unscathed.

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Getting struck by lightning, directly on your head. Unscathed

 

and that has to do with Scalars because? and thats nice and all. but accelerator ignores durability, as i said, Saitama cannot win, he loses.

 

Intresting. So basically his powers come from his calculations? That bit made 0 sense.

He applies the Negative value of whatever comes his way correct, wouldnt that theoretically mean he can apply a negative force back to an infinte power resulting in a paradox ? Sounds like a pretty terrivle anime to me. Your right, i don't watch it. Yet you havent proved how he controls scalar quantities? Its says he controls vectors according to what i read?

According to that logic, he can control temperature, gravity etc.

 

Flight: By controlling the wind around him he creates about 4 high-powered tornadoes behind him to allow him to fly. Showed in Vol.8 and 15. He is also able to redirect the vectors of gravity upon him.

 

i hope to god you are not implying saitama has infinite power. and how does it sound like a terrible anime because u simply cant understand a simple ability?

as for scalar quantities, what more proof do u want? hes walking in god dam lava surrounded by fire. how do you explain him not being burnt.

 

So he redirects gravity that is IMPOSING on him. Meaning he cant make anyone else fly. Just like he can control heat thats imposing on him. Refer to my exampl

No, clearly it was a hypothetical situation. I actually do understand it according to your explanation. Pretty simple he uses the opposie/negative force of that vector to redirect it. Its a bad anime because of my hypothetical situation. But i digress.

I understand that. The heat is trying to burn him, he redirects it, no burn.

What you dont get is that isn't a Scalar Quantity. The lava has direction as well. So therfore he can control it. Let me guess he can also control oxygen and suffocate people since that is also a scalar quantity which he supposedly controls?

Accelerator redirects all his attacks like i actually said earlier. Then what? What can accelerator do to defeat him is my point. Im sure above average speed is enought to dodge the redirection/punch that gets sent back.

 

heat is a scalar. hes walking in lava. hes reflecting the heat. ok. not good enough for u. somehow.
http://kissmanga.com/Manga/Toaru-Ma...no-Ippou-Tsuukou/Ch-016-Read-Online?id=233627

read that chapter. specifically the second half.

and all things considered, I think im going to drop this debate with you as you're quite uninformed and it looks like i'd have to spell everything out for you, which i Do not have the patience to do. Maybe doing some research on the character will help you.

a quick note as to how he wins.
-reverses his bloodflow
-manipulates his bioelectricity
-blows up his internal organs
-darkwings disintergrate matter
and all of the above can be done from a distance with the turn of his hand.

 

There 2 abilities here Vector Transformation and Reflection. Vector transformation specifically can be used anywhere while his redirection /reflection is only imposed on himself and passive. Transforming / manipulating the wind vectors around someone else would also produce a flight effect considering he can control the wind in general for other uses.

Accelerator can control scale magnitude and direction. This means oxygen wise he could suffocate a person by making a vacuum. What you don't get about his shield is that if he is physically punching accelerator the force will be instantly sent back. Essentially he will be hurting himself which would be bad for him if he can't tank his own punches. Accelerator can causally beat him with reverse blood flow he doesn't need to be touching saitama.