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Normal Game Thread Big Trouble in Little Salem

Discussion in 'Normal Games Archive' started by Cow, Jun 22, 2017.

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  1. Prada memes win games

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    Not my fault that I slept through the end of the phase. I also wasn't really there for dp2 and came in 3 hours before day end. Also managed to avoid that. In dp3 I was under scrutiny again and managed to get out of it again.
     
  2. Ningen NIngenest of them all

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    Just saying you didnt avoid day 1 now, wasnt there at 2-3 to comment now was I :maybe
    Falcon played better for me with how he planned a good deal and stayed town reads.
     
  3. Ningen NIngenest of them all

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    Also got the cop lynched for most part.
     
  4. Quick Mafiahalic

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    I don't think you gave a read on me all game, so no idea why you were so intent on arguing with me in the first place. I have better things to do than argue with someone over and over through walls that doesn't lead to any kind of read.
     
  5. Ratchet Advanced Member

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    To be fair, I was already suspicious of Quick as I felt his claim didn't jive with my role at all. I feel like the MVP-part of your play was how you got yourself away from the lynch at LyLo.

    Objectively, I should have removed my vote when Quick pointed out how Falcon had changed his restriction from One-Shot to Post-Day 3, but I think I was too stubborn there. Maybe part of me didn't want to lose to a Quick/Maple team where I'd figured out the plan and backed away from it, but it was poor play on my part. For the record, I had no intention of ever using my role to give a gun to wowee though - I ran through the maths and it wouldn't have saved Town in the event of a mislynch. I wanted to see what she would have to say on it, but once again I didn't really follow through with it, probably out of stubbornness.

    @Ningen You really don;t have anyone to blame for the Day 1 lynch but yourself. I have no idea what you were doing or what you think you were achieving, but it wasn't good anyhow. I can sort of understand reacting defensively to me, even if I think that too would have been poor play, but after it was pointed out to you how your comment could be construed from Rot, you should have conceded the accusation that I was putting words into your mouth, and accepted that the way I had interpreted it was a fair one, while stressing that wasn't your intention. Instead, you nonchalantly claimed that because you now say you meant it that way, that should mean I should take you at your word while you still don't concede the accusation that I was putting words into your mouth. That was bad, but what made it really bad was when you then pulled the "mislynch as usual" comment. To be frank, it was totally unnecessary in the face of what you were being accused of, and given how you know I'm going to ask you to qualify it, really poorly thought out. I don't know if you just lost your temper there, but it was a dumb comment to make given how it works to discredit my person than attacking my argument, and thus, inherently scummy. Once again, instead of conceding this when it was pointed out to you, you dismissed the rebuttal entirely and stuck with the claim.

    I was so ******* sure you were going to flip scum. Everything about your replies to me felt like you looking for an excuse to go back to your accusation from the previous game to make it appear as though you have the same thought process here as you did when you were Town, and when you made that comment regarding me typically lading mislynches I would go as far as to say I was as close to being certain on you being scum as I possibly could be, given how it smacked of frustrated scum looking for a way to discredit a player leading the lynch against them. I said in the thread, but once you flipped Town I was so ******* done. I spent the next 2 Days coasting by completely lost on the game, as I was completely unable to reconcile your play with Town. Part of me wanted to believe Cow had used Death Millers but I knew it just wasn't that kind of setup. You can accuse Quick of incompetence due to him not counting the votes properly, which in and of itself I feel would be a bit unfair given the hectic nature of End of Day, but the fact is I probably would have spent all game pushing your lynch due to how poorly you handled my accusations. And eventually, I would have got my lynch, so you really do only have yourself to blame for that one.

    The major issue I feel from Quick's play was, aside from the frankly random justifications for reads he gave, the fact he omitted his restriction. There was no real gain to it - it was more of a threat to scum as he claimed it so it's not like he was trying to catch them out with being stronger than he let on, and having to swallow the fact that he would have lied to the Town to believe his claim was always going to be hard to do. To be honest, I don't know if I would have bought it regardless, but it still made it that much harder.
     
  6. Prada memes win games

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    Well there was nothing for me to plan. I had to do shit on my own here and got scumread by my own teammates. In the end I still managed to push through and made Quick second guess himself which made him imo lose the game. Even, if CF plan would have failed, Quick wasn't very eager to change his townread anymore at all. I found my way into the towncore.

    I don't regret accidentally bussing Shinto, but I hoped that I would get another townie dead there. Sadly that wasn't the case, but it all ended well.

    Also how many mislynches did I push here?
     
  7. Rotaretilbo Regular Member

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    A) I'm fairly sure I explicitly gave a read of you as incompetent Town.

    B) The point of arguing with you was that I believed you were (unintentionally) misleading the Town with your arbitrary nonsense. I was right, in this regard. Most of your reads turned out to be nonsense. If you'd maybe tried taking anything I said to heart, you might not have talked the remaining Town into lynching you on Day 4. You had such a strong position following SHINTO's death, and you wasted it with inconsistent doublestandard WIFOM bullshit that overshadowed the handful of valid points you made.

    C) You didn't really have better things to do. The reason I was absent most of Day 3 was because I saw you post that I was "taking up all your time" and decided that I needed to decompress anyway. A little social experiment, if you will. In that time, you accomplished precisely nothing, activity died, you flipflopped on Prada for basically no reason, and then everyone wound up taking the comfortable Nick lynch.
     
  8. Globear Tentacle Taco +.+

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    Oh the game is over +.+

    Well done assassins then!
     
  9. Quick Mafiahalic

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    I don't do basic shit, I look deeper than that. You want to call that arbitrary, whatever. I don't think the way you play is better than mine. You can't get reads solely off people making logical fallacies.

    Honestly I don't get this superiority complex you seem to have. You prolly think you are the best player in this game, what a laugh. Won't be taking any of your "advice" to heart because you are an asshole.
     
  10. Prada memes win games

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    You cleared me as town because I raged.
     
  11. Rotaretilbo Regular Member

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    I mean, you are right when you say that you don't do basics. The problem is that you're not looking deeper; I'd actually argue that what you're looking at is much shallower. That is, after all, why it is ultimately arbitrary. Because you look at these shallow "tells" that are almost entirely driven by personality and not even remotely related to alignment, and try to make alignment determinations by them. You're not going beyond the basics, you're falling short of them.

    I'm not looking exclusively at logical fallacies. That's just the main thing I look for. But ****, even if that was all I looked at, it would still be more accurate than picking essentially random events and declaring them to be informative. At least there's a logical foundation for why Scum are more likely to use fallacious arguments than Town. You might as well be consulting the spirits, for how little you can articulate of your "process" that led you to make so many errant, inconsistent claims.

    I don't believe I'm the best player, whether the "this" is intended to mean this specific game of mafia or mafia in general. Frankly, I think my performance in this particular game was subpar - I think Prada, wowee, Maple, and probably Falcon all played better than I did in this game. My skill overall is, in my opinion, acceptable, but not optimal. I would tentatively guess that I'm one of the better players currently on SD, but that's an argument made almost entirely from ignorance, because I only really have this one game to judge the skill levels of the community, which is simultaneously too narrow a sample size to conclude the actual skill of any participants and too specific a sample size to make conclusions regarding non-participants.

    Luckily, I don't have to be the best player either in this game or at mafia in general to recognize that your stated playstyle is harmful to your stated goals. I mean, shit, this specific game should demonstrate how fickle your "methods" are without requiring any input from me or any other player. That you continue to insist that your methodology is fine in the face of such overwhelming evidence to the contrary speaks to the underlying problem.

    You can call me an asshole, but I'm only being an ass here insofar as I am being frank. My assholery does not detract from the merits of what I am saying in any way. You can plug your ears if it hurts your feelings, but that won't change the facts. If you're truly satisfied with your current performance, there's probably nothing I can do to help you anyway.
     
  12. Quick Mafiahalic

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    Yeah, and that's a solid Town tell for some people. Turns out you just can't handle pressure.
     
  13. Prada memes win games

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    Turns out I just acted
     
  14. Rotaretilbo Regular Member

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    It's almost as if things which Scum can pretend to do without any cost to themselves are probably not good indicators of alignment, because lying is a thing that exists!
     
  15. Quick Mafiahalic

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    I am looking so deep I cannot even put proper words to what I am looking at. You don't know me man. People have repeatedly told me my intuition is good. There are intangible things I am looking at that I cannot explain properly. Sometimes I look into things that are not there, but more often than not I am right in my intuition. I already know you don't believe me because you prolly NEVER look at things you can't explain as being valid. Argue all you want that my Ningen read in V 1.0 was based on random chance, that doesn't make it true.

    You want to talk basics, These are what I call the basics. I don't read people based only on that tho because there is much more to the game than that. If that is all you look at, I mean, you might be decent at looking for those tells, but not everyone fits into that box, so you are going to be wrong a lot too and not even know why.

    The fact that you think I am looking at random things, shows you don't understand me or my methods at all.

    This site has some good players, but a completely different style than I am used to. Some sites I am better on than others. Just as you are judging this site too soon, you are judging me too soon as well.

    My, my you know me so well. Tell me all the games that you have seen me fail at. /s

    M8 I have a 60% win rate overall with consideration of 70 + games on record. i don't suck at this game.

    You don't know my game M8. A lot of people think I have a complex game. You go the other way and think I have a simple game.
     
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