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That being said I don't see us lynching Ratchet this dp. Sk also went a lot better in my eyes this dp. I feel like Ans is the mislynch waiting to happen

No, I want your thoughts now. Even if it's just gut or something.

 

Who is Basil?

 

Rice

 

As a matter of fact I know that you also play like that as scum in a newbie game. I will never forget how you set me up as mislynch back then. While it's NIA, I wouldn't blame Basil for being suspicious of you.

Agreeing with certain POV's is all you need for a light town read right now? Who would be your town reads atm?

 

Do we go after lurkers at this point or what? I could see myself voting Shock.

 

I suspect Ratchet could be scum. When I look at him he is like an opportunist. You see here and previous DP. He wanted a kill of all thing no matter the reason and also he waited for a wagon or last opportunity

Wagon and the last opportunity = kill

-can be found in the first DP. He waited for number of people to make a move before he made his own move later on. If he found no kill will happen he will make it happen and why from all the people who disagree with no lynching and wanted a kill, he was the first person who made the kill happen by unvote. Why not you or other people? You also dont like to see no people die 1st DP but you dont make any second move but its Ratchet.

The Last opportunity = kill

-In second DP, he is not really jump into wagon but when I want to put my vote post I saw Ratchet among other on the 'users who are viewing this thread' I know if he saw tie vote he will try to break it by voting me and I thought there will be no ET so I will servive but I'm wrong and you saw by yurself who took the opportunity to vote me, its Ratchet. There will be no players after three if you will vote me. But sure we all knew that You and Ratchet have a high suspect on me but Ratchet is more about Scum play

 

We should put pressure on them for sure.

 

@Ratchet your thoughts on this?

 

inb4 Ratchet gets mad

 

I didn't have one. Nick was, to my memory, largely inactive, and if he wasn't nothing he said caught my eye in any meaningful way. I didn't have a Town read on him, and I didn't have a scum read on him (which is why I didn't vote for him). Also, I would compromise to lynch a Town read Day 1 (provided that they were not a strong Town read, which Day 1 reads rarely are in my opinion), because in my opinion any lynch is better than no lynch (but, obviously, if I have strong reason to believe someone is Town I'm not going to actively sentence them to death myself).

I didn't say it because that's not the thought process I went through, nor was it the one I described (as you point out). A number of players, regardless of alignment, wanted a Nick lynch over an SK lynch. Enough, even, where they could not all be scum. That told me at least some members of the Town preferred a Nick lynch, and so a Nick lynch would not be the worst lynch that could be made Day 1. I disagree on scum wanting that lynch more. Nick doesn't strike me as the kind of player that would really threaten a scum team, and no lynching inherently benefits scum, which is exactly why I said Ansat's tying of the vote was scummy (which you, if I'm not mistaken, also see as scummy). I'd also argue you can see a scum perspective in almost anything, the crux ought to be whether you can see a reasonable Town one too, and I feel like that is the case here.

No concern whatsoever, and I've already explained exactly why. The game should allow the Town to have three mislynches - that's the 3 Day Rule. If Town use 3 mislynches up then they lose. Given this, while it's by no means a great or even a good start, I see absolutely no reason to blow it out of proportion either. Day 1, more often than not, ends in a Town lynch. It is not unusual for a game this size to have two scum killers, and, probability wise, Night 1 they are more likely than not to both land on Town. I'd be more concerned if we mislynched today, but right now nothing I've seen has been outside of a reasonable estimate as to where this game would be by this point. You say it could be over by Day 4, but that's still two more lynches right there we have, and if we don't get scum with any of them then we'll lose. That's obviously bad, but I don't see any cause for alarm just yet.

I have my own way of reading players (that is, by viewing the arguments they make and seeing if I can understand their thought processes from a town perspective). Sometimes I gain this from discussing with them individually, sometimes I get it by seeing what they say in the thread outside of any interactions I have with them. You can call it suboptimal play if you want, that's your opinion and you're entitled to it, but its served me fairly well over time. I also freely admit to not playing all out early on. I used to, back when I started, but it led to two things - early deaths and Town and a lot of scum losses. Neither were fun, so I curtailed my play to help me survive longer in games and improve my success rate as scum. That's not to say I can't be bothered early on, mind you, but I can't claim to be throwing 100% of my ideas down.

Well, I'm sorry if you thought it was serious, but it absolutely wasn't intended to be. I'm not one to pull rank, and if I really wanted to discuss relative experience the discussion thread would be better, I believe, than the game itself. It was intended as, at worst, a tongue-in-cheek humblebrag. I don't feel the need to justify my time with Mafia, nor do I feel the need to boast about playing it longer than others.

I did, later, give a rough overview of how I viewed Globear's play when I posted some of my reads, in response to you I believe, so if I sidesteped it here, I certainly didn't later on. I know what Globear said, but the vote struck me as a vote that was looking for a defence to gauge a read on me, which is why I defended here.

Because I like to be thorough. I like to explain exactly why I think this or that, with the aim of helping people approve through it. If it can inspire Globear to at least think differently about those kinds of arguments, or anywhere really, then I'm happy.

 

Plus he always tailing you like what Globear aware off. When we having an arguments in the first DP, he came in and put a response toward me later on. He also came in after you in SK battle of Scum.

Why he never made the first moves like a man, a man that play for the right side(Townie). Hidding behind someone makes people really suspicious on you.

Putting an essay that contain many points doesnt mean you're less scum. For me a scum that good at manipulating the 'holes' or mistake or a weakness of townie players by making a 'case' using that mistake, or 'holes'

 

@STINK, I see you lurking the thread. Have any comments?

 

But my problem is it shouldn't be a surprise to Basil, so I disliked how he tried to pretend like he didn't know. I don't mind him being suspicious of it, itself, so much, I do mind the disingenuous way he tried to play it.

Its always been enough. If I can see the thought process, then I've always lent towards Town. And given that it's a thought process I share, of course I can see it.

Globear, for one. I suppose you would be one too, because you strike me as rather proactive here, but it's not something I'm putting a great deal of stock in, so it's certainly weaker than my Globear one. And that would be it. The rest I've felt have either been fairly inactive, or their content hasn't really struck me as something they're incapable of doing as scum (in Quick's case), even if the style is, objectively, pro-Town.

I think the first point is really poor. It fails to factor in the actual context, wherein a No Lynch was very much on the cards, and he hasn't made any attempt to argue my point regarding a No Lynch being something I've consistently fought against (because he can't). He even goes on and implies that I should have just put my feelings on that aside despite having no strong read on Nick, and how Scum benefit far more than Town do from a No Lynch. It's a textbook case of framing my play as inherently scummy despite it making just as much sense, in my opinion, from Town. It's just as bad as if I were to use my behaviour last Day Phase to argue why I should be read as Town (arguably worse, even, because at least in this case the behaviour would have been Pro-Town).

The second post, once again, removes all context from the vote. His content when he thought he was on death's door was very much what I consider to be "Anti-Spew", wherein a player goes out of their way to avoid actually addressing points out of fear of his replies being used to find other scum mates. It also, again, ignores how objectively bad a No Lynch is for Town (and he openly admits to going out of his way to tying it, though granted that makes sense as Town too as he would know he's Town, and there is no sense in allowing certain Town to be lynched, so I don't hold this against him). It also plays down how I've been openly suspicious of him for most of the game, in order to frame my vote as scummy when the reality is it makes at least as much sense as Town voting a long-standing suspect. As a result, this point is also poor.

 

I'm going to go ahead and just take this as a damn fine compliment.

BTW, I did like your response quite a bit. If for nothing else, you have your theory straight.

 

I see

But where can you see Rise's thought process? He just spoke about his tone reads and that's it. No thought process involved there Ratchet.

Ratchet case in point wasn't the logic of Ansatsuken. That his logic is rather poor is obvious. Arguing that you are scum for ensuring a lynch there and holding to your believe isn't a scummy thing.
I would like to know, if Ansatsuken's post is authentic.