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Alright ladies and gentlemen my the post I promised ratchet kun about her buddying/trying to be in the good side of prada the majority of DP1

Let's start with the first one here. Ratchet coming into between me and prada little argument in the beginning and kind of backing him out. Or should I say talking instead of him. If you go back and read his post. You will notice that it was clear attempt from ratchet to kind of back up prada and help him out. Kind of like his white shining protector

He quickly after that joined prada wagon shortly after. Now you can come to me and say. "But oh SK Ratchet chan had her own reasons and analysis." I will tell you a big fat NO. Go back and look at prada and ratchet interactions. Maybe Prada did not notice it because ratchet was appealing to his good side so maybe he was oblivious of ratchet clear attempt to stay under prada good side and buddy him and back him up whenever a conversation/argument i make is brought up.

Now after ratchet joined the wagon. Prada and Ratchet started debating with Globear on why she should join the wagon as well. The problem here is that ratchet was literally backing up Prada and making his case be more appealing. Here is an example with the quote below.

Ratchet kind of takes the lead off prada and tries and justify his wagon with very weak arguments I might add. Most of the points provided above were either wrong or iffy/weak at best. Let's not forget the fact that ratchet also helped prada in swaying globear and making her join the wagon as well.

After that I ask people to go back and read from page 23-30 since there are many quotes in those pages. But if you pay attention it's basically ratchet taking the leadership and fighting which I believe was supposed to be prada fight. But Ratchet was there all the time literally backing him up and talking his way through on why I should be lynched. It was the entire ending of DP me going back and forth with ratchet arguing with each other which was supposed to be Prada's argument. Prada joined the fray later on when he logged in and it became a constant back and forth between me against prada and ratchet for the majority of the end of DP1.

So what do we get from this?

>Ratchet interrupting me and prada argument and defending prada indirectly.
>Joined prada wagon shortly after he voted me.
> Tried to justify his wagon and make it more appealing and sway people into joining it.
> Took the lead and started fighting which I believe was supposed to be Prada argument and fight since he was the one who started it.

So let's look at it from this perspective. Prada started a small fire and ratchet was the ignite that made that fire blaze!!

some players like globear and ansa in DP1 took notice of this and pointed it out that ratchet is being really supportive of prada and kind of buddying with him in a sense.

What also i don't like about ratchet in DP2 is his weak reasoning in giving rise a light lean town for a post that had no meaning behind it whatsoever. He simply made a 1 line post about his view on Rice and even then it was hella weak. Giving a person like him even a light town read is very weird for me. Even after he explained his reasoning I still don't make alot of sense out of it.

 

I can see where you are coming from with that. Don't know about Globear enough myself though.

Well you call him confident, but from his caving to me I got a different feeling. I get a rather insecure feeling from him. Could that hint at him being antitown?

 

That SK hate for Rise lmao

 

SK I'll respond in a bit. It's shorter than I was hoping for, by the way.

I mean, I feel like he's confident in the sense that he believes himself to be better or at least at the same level and so wouldn't fear going at certain players. Being insecure and wavering itself, I wouldn't say, hints to him being anti-town, but I certainly believe it could be (and is) an attempt to try a different approach to get people to listen to him and on his side, as the former, clearly, wasn't working. I don't think it unusual for players to try switching it up when they think they've got an inch from which they can take a mile, so to speak.

 

So to sum it up from all this essay, what we need to do is find a mistake in yur post. I can see you're playing using the best tactic you know. Its not hard to sound like a townie if yuo have a 'trust' so people wont dare to suspect you unless you're doing over the board/illogical way/too weird. But I feel you're currently play it 'safe'.

You can post about not following a step duh, duh...but did you realize that scam also can emulate your playing style here? There is no definitive rule in playing as a townie. So thats why they failed to suspect you as anti-town sometimes bcus they're too relient on 'steps'. You sometimes need to jump out from your comfortable zone or else you will forever not manage to catch all scums completely especially in this ' very sleepy' game where not many people active playing including SD's DNmafia award winner. Case in point you can kill me in this DP as I leads the vote and I see no change will happen and if you really a town. You scum read on me is far from true. I also wonder why you never put me in scum-read in our previous game? No case being made toward me.

And I'm not focusing on you in the previous game that much bcus everything was new to me. I'm in the process of learning.

But one thing for sure if I'm playing as a scum I will not be this outspoken and overpresenting myself from the beginning. Unknown by me there actually too many 'predators' around.

 

I've never claimed my posting style was alignment indicative. Last game was my first game here, for one, and secondly who is to say I didn't have you as a scum read? The key point is that I did much of what you are accusing me of in that one too, where I was Town, so that should tell you that your process here isn't going to result in a very good read on me. Instead of recognising this and adjusting appropriately, you double down instead.

 

I agree with you that the game is kind of chaotic since many people are inactive out of the 8 players list I gave which I believe all mafia and indies are in it. You said why did I change my reads on prada. Whelp it's quiet simple I had to go back to DP1 and reread it and analyzed prada posts and based off it I believe he is a townie who made bad plays. The reason his case became super hot to begin with was because of ratchet assistance. While looking back it. Ratchet contributed more into his cause than prada contributed on it. Back in the DP1 I was simply in the heat of the moment and viewed it as a coloration between prada and ratchet to hunt me down and make sure I get lynched. But after taking a 24 hours break and reading it over. I changed my view on prada and placed him my neutral/lean town and decided to move on with my life.

Now you say. "Why you act confident with your reads?". Whelp that's simple, it's because I have to. If i don't put faith into my own reads then I can never move on. You need to have faith and move on.

I like your read list. Pretty similar to mine for the exception that I have ansa as a townie and you as a potential of scum. However, I gotta say I am liking your activity and contribution so you are going down the list of priority of potential scum players.

 

huh? what hate? is stating the truth is considered hate these days?

 

Ratchet, last thing I want is to go into a wallie war with you again. I made it short and straight forward as much as possible and hope I receive the same thing from your end.

 

LMAO.

You are a Char-act-ter, fo sure.

 

btw sorry about my activity. It is not up to my standards that's for sure. It's just that life is a bitch sometimes. However tomorrow after I deliver my fabulous presentation I should have more free time.

 

In this example, I point to what I considered to be a poor argument made in defence. This is a fundamental part of Town play, as analysing defence is, in my opinion at least, just as important as analysing overall play. You instead try to make this out as if it was done unduly, but you have again failed to demonstrate why this was the case.

In the context, Globear was essentially "hmm idk I'm kinda back and forth here". I decided, then, that proactive play was the best way to go, and pulled the trigger on it. SK has failed to demonstrate exactly why this vote was bad.

Once again, you don't explain why they are weak or iffy. You just say they are.

Yet again, you've failed to show why this is a bad thing inherently. While you can frame it as scum, it makes just as much sense as a town-aligned player going after a scum read. At best, then, it's not alignment indicative, but SK, you only focus on the facet that suits your narrative the most.

Now you aren't even pretending to have properly addressed them. Attack the reasoning itself, don't just summarise and characterise it.

Once again, you don't prove the "why". I asked you for specifically that last day phase, and you promised me you'd come up with it. Instead, you give me more of the same from last day phase, in a post that clearly hasn't taken you a day to write up.

 

Yeah after thinking over it, it's ride or die with Ratchet. I don't see him as scum here. At best as third party.

 

Anyways I'll probably take a nap now or play a game.

 

You have a back up in Prada and Quick that know about yur playing rule when being pick as a townie so by having this experience players make sure to not making any mistake bcus I'm very Prada had learn about his mistake whem he play against you. For Quick it tells me that both of you never met him before so this your first time. But he sure is one headed with You about playing style here bcus what all this three people here are targeting is my playing style and draw their conclusion from there. How logical is that?

But I can feel how sincere is Prada in 'telling' people that he is Town.

I see you're more confident here than yur last game in here.