Normal Game Thread Full Metal Panic!: Fighting Boy Meets Girl Mafia

Musings i suppose so but shouldnt we wait and start to lynch inactives when we have no idea or suspects?

I never said i was leaning on people to clear me. Either way it allows me to focus on finding scum then repeating myself over and over again when it comes to my role.

But i keep having to do that anyway since i think theres probably only 2 or three players reading a post the whole way through.
I'd rather have more time to work out whos town so i know to protect them then spend the whole time dealing with rolerelated things.
So i have no regrets claiming

Yeah neutral on maple but the only reason why it's not a hard scum read on CF is because I'm not about to say that dp 1

 

I still don't like Maple most out of the active players thus far.

 

@Prada how do you scan?

 

Firstly that's personal opinion[/QUOTE]

The "opinion" card doesn't grant diplomatic immunity from consequence. What you did harmed the Town, and did not benefit the Town. If you intend to play this game as Town, please try to play to your wincon. That may just be my opinion, but it's also common ******* courtesy.

Sigh. I dunno why we have to play this game.

You say that the reason you claimed was because you're probably gonna die anyway. Now, I don't know how to interpret that, because various posts of yours have given me the impression that you don't know how your claimed role works. I've been ignoring most of it, because I didn't want to be the asshole to call attention to the fact that you don't seem to know how your role works, and that you almost certainly can't self-protect, even if Ratchet allowed self-targeting on a protective role (which he almost certainly does not). Because, if you were aware that your role potentially kills you upon successful use, you would also understand that you, by nature, cannot self-protect, because you'd be redirecting the kill off of yourself and back onto yourself, for a net change of nothing. But let's assume that you did understand that your role works by redirecting kills off of people and onto yourself.

You then say that you claimed because you wanted to be confirmed. I can appreciate the sentiment, except that you're not confirmed. Claiming doesn't make you confirmed. There's this handy thing called lying that exists, and it just so happens that we can't test your role because a successful test results in you dying. So you're not confirmed, we can't treat you as confirmed, we frankly can't even treat you like a Doctor because you're not really a Doctor, and now you're outed.

Result: All bad, no good.

The Cop does not exist to serve your whim. If you really are a Guardian, we have less reason to investigate you, because your survivability late game is a lot lower than the average person's on account of you die if you use your role successfully.

It'd be a 1-for-1 trade, which would be bad play as Scum, but your play if we assume your Town isn't exactly inspiring enough for me to not write off the possibility.

Alright, let me clarify something. Or rather, can you clarify something. Can you not hammer female players as in Shanksy and pou and the like, or can you not hammer female characters as in <insert females from FMP>? Because if it is the former, I can at least appreciate your confusion.

I'm on the fence about it. I understand the concept behind trying to meta the Vole N0 kill, and its as good a place to start as any, but his choices were kinda graspy to me.

Alright, so what's your alternative. We're like three or four claims deep, the deadline was...like six hours ago. Who do you propose we lynch?

It's effectively just a post restriction. I'd have to double check, but I'm pretty sure Fan doesn't affect voting. Honestly, Rail's claim is one of the few things you have going for you, because it'd be weird (not unheard of, but weird) for Town to be a Fan of Scum. I'll have to leave that one to the flavor experts. But the logistics of potentially being able to identify a Scum player right away based on flavor due to the Fan role is rough, so if we believe Rail, it bodes well for you.

 

The "opinion" card doesn't grant diplomatic immunity from consequence. What you did harmed the Town, and did not benefit the Town. If you intend to play this game as Town, please try to play to your wincon. That may just be my opinion, but it's also common ******* courtesy.



Sigh. I dunno why we have to play this game.

You say that the reason you claimed was because you're probably gonna die anyway. Now, I don't know how to interpret that, because various posts of yours have given me the impression that you don't know how your claimed role works. I've been ignoring most of it, because I didn't want to be the asshole to call attention to the fact that you don't seem to know how your role works, and that you almost certainly can't self-protect, even if Ratchet allowed self-targeting on a protective role (which he almost certainly does not). Because, if you were aware that your role potentially kills you upon successful use, you would also understand that you, by nature, cannot self-protect, because you'd be redirecting the kill off of yourself and back onto yourself, for a net change of nothing. But let's assume that you did understand that your role works by redirecting kills off of people and onto yourself.

You then say that you claimed because you wanted to be confirmed. I can appreciate the sentiment, except that you're not confirmed. Claiming doesn't make you confirmed. There's this handy thing called lying that exists, and it just so happens that we can't test your role because a successful test results in you dying. So you're not confirmed, we can't treat you as confirmed, we frankly can't even treat you like a Doctor because you're not really a Doctor, and now you're outed.

Result: All bad, no good.



The Cop does not exist to serve your whim. If you really are a Guardian, we have less reason to investigate you, because your survivability late game is a lot lower than the average person's on account of you die if you use your role successfully.



It'd be a 1-for-1 trade, which would be bad play as Scum, but your play if we assume your Town isn't exactly inspiring enough for me to not write off the possibility.



Alright, let me clarify something. Or rather, can you clarify something. Can you not hammer female players as in Shanksy and pou and the like, or can you not hammer female characters as in <insert females from FMP>? Because if it is the former, I can at least appreciate your confusion.



I'm on the fence about it. I understand the concept behind trying to meta the Vole N0 kill, and its as good a place to start as any, but his choices were kinda graspy to me.



Alright, so what's your alternative. We're like three or four claims deep, the deadline was...like six hours ago. Who do you propose we lynch?



It's effectively just a post restriction. I'd have to double check, but I'm pretty sure Fan doesn't affect voting. Honestly, Rail's claim is one of the few things you have going for you, because it'd be weird (not unheard of, but weird) for Town to be a Fan of Scum. I'll have to leave that one to the flavor experts. But the logistics of potentially being able to identify a Scum player right away based on flavor due to the Fan role is rough, so if we believe Rail, it bodes well for you.[/QUOTE]
I personally think you're taking it out of a scale. Im not saying it for "diplomatic immunity" im calling what it is. Just because thats your opinion doesnt make mine wrong.
And what does this have to do with my wincon? I never said i dont want to help town and before you say claiming hinders town again, ive already stated my reasons so &.&

Have you seen my role pm? I should hope not.
You have no idea what my guardian role involves as per this flavour and what the limits are. Only the host and i know that at current

You have taken what i meant by confirmed and twisted it - have you read every single post in the game. Are you aware of my reasons or are you posting blind. Claiming doesnt make someone confirmed i know that. Im not a doctor &.& im a guardian &.& &.&
Im just a more fun guardian.

See here is where youve slipped up youre jumping from rabiting about how im saying that claiming proves my role then quotes about what i said about the cop.
I said in that quote the cop exists to investigate, and if they want to im there. That's literally all i keep saying.

Well i say we pick from Evil, CF or myself. Theyre the people whos names cropped up the most right.
Or we could go an inactive like you said.

 

Quotes are stuffed 0.0

 

@Rotaretilbo May I know what are these mason, priest, fan and guardian thingy? I have googled it but the descriptions are different from 1 source to another (especially with mason).

If Rail is lying about the fan claim and is actually a scum, can we consider she has an experienced player on her team? It seems like this fan role is rare/unusual. Rail is new to this kind of game. Not sure if she can make up that kind of role by herself.

Is there a role similar to Blackmailer in this kind of game? We have N0, I wonder if one of Venom or Daoko is silenced (not sure if both are).

 

I see that the countdown is still going down, so the day phase is still on.

I'm still not surprised if Glo is taking this route as a townie, but putting that aside, it feels like a blunder no matter what. Regardless of her intentions, if she is indeed a townie, she basically put herself at risk by saying she's guardian (even if she isn't doc per se, I assume it's still protective). Yes, there is doubt whether or not she will self-heal or whatever, but the thing is, the fact that they probably don't know who doc is in the first place can do the exact same thing anyways in terms of casting doubt on who to kill for the night for scum. Instead, it basically drags town into this strange mind game (not that mafia isn't kind of a mind game on it's own, but I can't say it isn't making it better) with scum, and distracts from whatever is considered as standard scum-hunting to town. I don't know why she thinks that "she's going to die anyways" as if she knows that mafia is going to target her given the posts she has made. Yeah, they could, but there's no reason for certainty since she's not the only active player out there. Also, cop can potentially clear people, but honestly, it's just better to get cop to find scum since you know, those are the people we need to find to win, not that clearing the innocent isn't useful on it's own.

I might be missing something whether it's a detail I overlooked or whatever, but that's what I'm getting atm. Rail's claim as being a Fan was pretty much unprompted, though his intention was probably to protect her from being doubted too much, not that it necessarily clears her. It's really sudden tbh, but I understand the sentiment to protect 'doctor' from being lynched. Can easily be scum still but, eh. Haven't seen too much outside of that claim.

That being said, I think it would be hilarious if this was an attempt from Glo to get town cred by getting cop to invest her if she's godfather. idk, that's the first possibility that comes to mind if she was scum, but again, regardless of her intentions, it didn't do many favors aside from casting attention to her in the long run. But the thing is, I can criticize Glo's playstyle all I want, but there's a lot of uncertainty behind it. Too much of it for me to want to vote for her. Regardless whether or not she uses her role effectively, I don't want to risk lynching a power role, a protective one at that, over something I'm not sure of myself. A person to be wary of, but lynching her would be hasty. From what I can tell, I'm not sure if there's more we can accomplish on this matter during this day phase, or at least, to a substantial level.

Outside of that, the only thing I have to comment on is who to lynch this day phase. An inactive lynch isn't an inherently bad idea, especially if there's a risk of losing an active townie. In terms of the consensus of the town, it'll probably be safer to go with an inactive rather than going straight to the "sus" list (according to Glo). Glo is too high risk for me, and I'm still on the fence with CF and Evil since I haven't seen anything to change my opinion since my last post.

so yeah, I'm leaning for an inactive lynch. I'm about to go to sleep now, and I probably won't be awake to see the end of the day phase so:

Vote: daoko

 

I would just remember that there are some pretty strong varations in play here

Rot has yet to consider that

 

This post right here.

 

I'm not comfortable with the idea of lynching CF. He threw several names randomly with weak reasoning for possible Ningen killer. Remind me with his play on other game on other board (Pocahontas on NF). He randomly mentioning X and Y and Z as scum on that game too. His role was something like Jester. Not really a Jester but needs to be lynched to win.

 

@Globear you're a lot more cautious during assassin game, it's really odd to see you recklessly claimed on this one.

 

You've no faith in me. :feelsbadman

 

This is actually my normal playstyle +.+
During that time i was adjusting to things in my life so my brain was in a different state of mind.
Normally when i play mafia i play to play the game not to tip toe and be worried about stuffing up. If that happens whatever theres other games anyway.

 

if we lynch an inactive after a dayphase of 72 hours we're basically throwing the game

that said, i have not a candidate for the lynch that everyone would agree on in order to proceed.

_Globear: the only lynch that would make us move on from the guardian claim swamp, risk of losing an important asset.
_Lord Maple:not very informative.
_Crimson Falcon: pretty informative lynch but i kind of consider him a sure mislynch.
_Crispickle: keep your filthy hands away from me.
_Prada: more or less informative but he's probably getting juicier later on, when he'll actually play the game.
_Rotaretilbo: pretty informative.
_Railgun99: more or less informative.
_poutanko: not very informative.
_Shanksette: not very informative.
_Dr. White: pretty informative but he's town.
_Venomous Cobra: zero informative.
_daoko: zero informative.
_EvilGenius: very informative.
_SK: not informative. But rather... where has he disappeared to?


i'm down for lynching rotaretiibo or evilgenius. If we don't want to get rid of them because we're looking forward to their content later in the game, then i could join a railgun/prada/globear train.

how can we get a tally of the current situation?