Mafia Chatroom Corner

Yes it will lead to chaos.

That is kinda iffy. It might look balanced but it might lead to major problems later on. It's best to not do it at all or take a risk and hope that everything stays stable (The latter is where the Game managers come in).

About your error, you can't edit posts so you should quote the previous post, fix the errors in the quote and post it.

 

It isn't something that should be done, I just pointed out an instance where the effects will be minimal.

Also, my error wasn't that important, it'll be drowned in posts urr

 

On some deeper thinking, here's my opinion on those points:-

Vanilla Townie getting subbed into Vanilla Townie- The previous role and the new role are the same, so I don't see any adverse effects.

Vanilla Townie getting subbed into Townie Power Role- The player in question here gets a boost to his vanilla role so it might be seen as bastardy from some player's viewpoints. The reason for it been bastardy is that the Boost does not come under the Game Mechanics so it has no reason to happen.

Vanilla Townie getting subbed into Mafia Role- This is basically an alignment change and it is considered bastard unless alignment change is publicly stated to be in the game and is a part of the Game Mechanics. In this case scenario, the alignment change doesn't come under the Game Mechanics and as such has no reason to happen. A Game host might circumvent this by saying that Alignment change is a Game mechanic to address the issue (Even through no Cult exists in the game). This however is stretching the hosting powers though.

However none of these scenarios solve the Second pseudo life problem. This issue dampens the lynch and kill mechanics of the game.

Here's what I mean by Bastard: https://wiki.mafiascum.net/index.php?title=Bastard_Mod .

 

Hmmmmm,

Actually, other than the fact that the living players will get hung up on it, it's not really alignment change, they should just assume he's a new guy with no existing knowledge (at least nothing that can't be gotten from reading the thread).


About pseudo life, there are games that have a retributionist that can revive one dead player, so it's not that bad.


Though, generally I still think it should be avoided.

 

Underlinded: Well in an indirect way, it is an alignment change. Only the host may know it once the game is running, but once it is revealed the player is mafia, the decision may be called out as Bastard. I would consider it a bad decision from a hosting perspective. Again, this is subjective based upon how a player sees the situation. I disagree on the "No existing knowledge" part. The player in question has such knowledge via his reads from the perspective of been a member of the Town when he was alive. Once he is dead, all his reads are a dead end and the alive players have to figure out the rest. If he gets subbed in, he would continue building his reads.

Bold: Revival roles are iffy as a death caused by a lynch or a kill should stay permanent. This is a core mechanic of a Mafia game. Same how alignment change (Cult) and get lynched to win (Jester) roles are also iffy. If it's publicly stated by the host that revival roles exist then I wouldn't consider it an issue.

 

Yeah, but the reads are based on things that were posted in the thread, meaning a sub can do the same, though, you have a point, your alignment somewhat affects your reads and he'll be getting to see the game from both perspectives, but it can be argued that a rational player (a pro sort of) can put himself in scum's position and try to think like scum even when he isn't.
It's one of reasons I don't like subbing in, cos I'll have to read the whole thread and build reads.

Also, you should try playing ToS, they have both Jester and Retri, and it's fun, especially the Jester role, but then it's usually clear there's a Jester and maybe Retri (at least you expect it).

 

Calendar is officially up and running so if you wish to host a game make sure to give it a read and request a spot, here.

 

Never played Town of Salem. I will read a few sample games though.

 

@Ratchet, please make two posts here.

 

I need one more since you said another post might be needed.

 

Anyways @Bimbonium

Generally subbing in dead players is looked down on, but I have done it when I really really needed a sub. I don't put too much stock in where they were in their previous role, unless of course they were Mafia or a similar role that would break the game. At the very least I feel like it is preferable to modkilling as that hurts the balance far more than some reads a player may have had.

 

Yeah, I kinda get that the major problem with subbing dead players (in the instances they work) is player perception.

Yeah, I dislike Mod-kills, especially for trivia things, tho in the above context, I think mod kills for inactivity are rare these days.

 

Bim plays here? Interesting.

 

Yup I do.

Trying to place the UN tho, can only think of Nick01 from NB

 

Oh I've played with you before. On OJ